The answer is pretty simple…to allow the project team to provide information about their project and their SNS structure and for the community to have a chance to ask questions. All of that can and should be civilized. There is no need to call it a shit coin or to insinuate people lack emotional intelligence.or to claim people are being condescending. For the IC to be successful at attracting mainstream adoption, the “crypto is rude” justification needs to be retired. We can do better.
Don’t these projects want investors? Because if you don’t want anyone to invest this is the perfect attitude.
At icp we rather be poor then take money from people who are rude.
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I don’t understand. Would you please clarify? What did I say that makes you think I’m proposing something that won’t attract investors? It seems to me that having a more civilized place for discussion is more attractive for new and existing investors. Civilized discussion in no way means that intellectually honest conversations can’t happen. They absolutely should happen and they have never been moderated on the forum.
You don’t understand crypto culture.
This will not attract investors.
The SNS is a degen tool for gamblers, the people in icp ecosystem that invest in these shit coins are degen gamblers and you are pushing them away.
You and honestly this ecosystem needs to learn about their target market.
Either that or try to get regulated and only allow accredited investors. Which is dumb.
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Ok. That’s a fair perspective. Thanks for sharing. I don’t agree, but happy to agree to disagree.
That’s fine you can disagree all the way to 0 it’s not sweat off my back.
But there is a reason meme coins have more volume than the entire ICP ecosystem including the ICP coin.
There is a reason a single NFT collection in solana does more volume in a day than has been raised by the SNS.
It’s because those ecosystems embrace crypto culture.
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Draggins understands crypto which is why people like them.
On the contrary and in support of products being developed in the IC, conversations about SNS should be kept on the forum and not anywhere else. In the fourth quarter of 2023, I still question what dfinity employees are doing on twitter? The spirit and energy of IC enthusiast’s need move the conversations and marketing strategies to web3 platforms like DSCVR or district.
Those complaining need find ways to manage pressure. It would be a long way before AI can be able to moderate conversations fairly. In the meantime, the focus need be adding resources to moderators or hiring modulators on full time clock basis. If you can’t survive internet trolls, the market would eat you alive. I do not mean to encourage such behavior, but i think the solution is to deal with the behavior logically by moderating conversations and encouraging civil participation.
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Increased moderation is definitely an option, but it’s up to the owners of this forum to decide which message they want to send.
As a developer, I for one did not have any experience with crypto prior to the Internet Computer. I do not identify with the “Degen culture” mentioned in this thread, and originally invested because of the roadmap, vision, and execution both on the cryptography and engineering side of things.
As an investor, I am purely interested in the IC from a technology aspect and have no interest in reading through 50 comments from a back-and-forth argument, reading a post with half its comments hidden, or where the conversation turns personal on these forums.
Compared to the software economy crypto is tiny and insignificant. The IC wins if corporations and developers adopt it for legitimate use cases that provide real, tangible value. VetKeys might actually just be the feature that tips the scales and provides that value. That corporate money is big money on the sidelines, and it will have a hard time taking the IC seriously if they spend a more than a week in this forum.
My two cents to any moderators reading this - don’t try to be people pleasers, people will be unhappy no matter how you moderate. If you provide more post restrictions to these forum (just like any subreddit), developers and your DFINITY team will be happier, and some community members will leave/go elsewhere, even to use ICP apps more often - and that isn’t a bad thing.
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There wouldn’t be an issue if certain individuals would stop posting like they’re on /biz/ memeing with the other chuds, on a forum that’s clearly meant for professional discussions. I’m not sure why anyone would think that’s a good idea or an effective strategy for changing minds. Hard questions and criticism are great, it’s when things start getting personal that the purpose is lost and these threads devolve into pointless shit-flinging.
Anyway, as for the main topic, there are plenty of interesting and useful technical questions and criticisms for SNS projects. Developers should continue to make threads and be active here.
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Don’t worry bud. the few remaining people will sell their ICP bags and leave with way things are going.
All 50 active developers can hang out together and sell SNS tokens to each other in their safe space. You will be able to amass a million ICP at 0.1 per
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The overwhelming majority of retail investors are not going to come to these forums. They’re going to hang out on the various web 2 social media sites, or hopefully at some point migrate over to IC social media. There’s ZERO reasons why the official developer forums need to descend into chaos and allow degenerate shitposting, unfounded accusations, and spam. If anything, that will actively HARM the ecosystem because developers won’t have quick access to high quality, high density information they need to do their job. They’ll have to wade through pages of trash to find that information, and many of them may just decide to move on.
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Gives even more of a reason to ban all none technical talk from these forums.
At this point there is so many reasons it’s irresponsible the rules haven’t been changed.
Reasons to make this dev only forum:
- Give developers a place to build.
- Promote icp ecosystem.
- Allow regular degens to enjoy governance process
- Force projects to learn how to manage communities.
Reasons to keep this forum the way it is:
- Safe space
- Be broke
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Stop tagging me & spamming forums with irrelevant topics.
This is not a breach, glitch, bug, or any other type of flaw.
This is a parameter set by the administrators of this forum & has no relevance to this topic.
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Yes I am flagging your content @wpb , as reccomended if it’s viewed as breaking the rules🤠
I believe you are going off topic , attempting to draw correlation to something completely unrelated. I suppose we will let the moderators decide!
In the meantime, you should stop abusing exploits in the edit / flag function & report it within the thread of forum issues you are so concerned about!
EDIT: Not sure why this is flagged as off topic but that’s hilarious to me.
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Ok, I respect your opinion as a trust level 3 moderator of the forum. My apologies for causing trouble. Keep up the good work.
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Didn’t read all comments so maybe somebody already put out this idea, but wouldn’t it be nice for somebody to build out a specific dapp to discuss SNSes and keep the forum for the technical questions and developer focused?
just a random idea;
A black holed canister per SNS discussion, where the content is moderated by the discussion participants?
Maybe dfinity could put out a grant for this?
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I am sorry to say that if this is how you feel about crypto might as well go and gamble on sports or other stuff. Not saying that this is stupid, it is what it is.
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As I said multiple times, we can keep doing what we are doing all the way to 0 
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We already have so many dapps built for discussion why make another
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True, but who is going to decide to redirect all the traffic to a specific dapp like the ones mentioned?
The brainfart that I had was just a single usecase canister for the discussion that could be locked and archived for future reference as well for example.
But take it all with a grain of salt, I didn’t gave the idea a lot of thought
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