I wondered how it was even possible to have 35k listeners on a tweet that has only 1337 views?
It’s possible that a lot of users outside Twitter were listening anonymously (not logged in), for which EMC would need to have a much larger following off of Twitter (100k+ probably?).
It also means that Twitter listener count is a very bottable stat.
Yes that is correct, people can listen from outside Twitter.
To obtain 35k viewers would take a massive following from more outlets. It’s hard for accounts with 500k+ followers to break 10k listeners, and that’s for people hosting consistent updates. Bored Ape doesn’t crack 5k listeners…
Is it possible that EMC is getting 35k listeners, yes, but it’s highly unlikely.
They are misleading people to think that they have huge user base (which they don’t). I don’t want to use the word SCAM but that’s what outside ICP will say. This Blockchain world is brutal and if they are doing same in ETH, they would get doxxed easily and that will end the project right there.
I think this project will not add any value to the community. If yes, they would have already shown signs of brining genuine users. Instead they are buying bots to listen to Twitter Spaces.
I wonder what your explanation is for the unmentioned 10% immediate unlocking of neurons.
and about the controller of neuron not being moved under sns but staying under emc governance.
Considering your BDs statement for plan issuance in multi-chain, I think its rather deceptive behaviour.
Failure is not due to lack of community support, the project’s vision, or product progress.
Why do we persist in combining the AI and Web3 industries?
Why is EMC applying for SNS DAO?
More and more people are recognizing the performance of the EMC team in hardware, network, AI applications, and market development.
We welcome everyone who’s interested or has doubt in EMC can visit EMC Discord and Telegram, we can talk computing nodes, AI business model and global market expansion.
EMC’s primary objectives are to develop a high-quality product, expand global market, establish a strong community, bringing more users and token usage of ICP.
If you still have doubts, you are welcome to revisit EMC in six months’ time. Thanks!
Do we really need to do this all over again, based on “I see numbers I don’t expect so it must be a scam!”
Thank you for sharing this
We are referring to the AI developers MixLab and MCN agency Hashmeta that EMC has already partnered with. They have a lot of AI developers and kols. We have signed an MOU, and the founder of Mixlab and Hashmeta has also participated in an EMC Twitter Space to share their insights and partnership with EMC.
In the EMC community, individuals are actively using the EMC Hub and Stable Diffusion page to generate images daily. We are soon going to develop a subscription payment feature for the EMC Hub, utilizing both EMC and ICP tokens. This feature will allow us to display the daily usage data through a dashboard. If you are running an EMC full node, you will also be able to observe the daily usage volume firsthand.
People have begun seeking advice on how to upload models to EMC Hub. As EMC Hub demands significant storage capacity, we have also integrated FIL’s storage functionality. Is there any concern with these developments?
As already explained, the EMC Foundation pledges 33% of the 15%, then 67% of the other 15% (equivalent to 10%) is unpledged for operations, participation in the mega-node’s co-construction pledge, Rewards for current and future employees of the foundation, Reserved for meeting future advisors and funding needs for the project, Reserved for future development activities.
Regarding the operational approach on Twitter, if you’re interested, you can directly ask the staff in charge of Twitter (he has had trouble registering on the Forum).
He should have answered this question before: during Twitter Spaces sessions, we will collaborate with some crypto communities and DAOs to guide their users in understanding EMC, with active participation and engagement for the ICP community. Some EMC individual investors have stated that they have gained a renewed understanding of ICP’s leading technology and have even become small investors in ICP.
I have personally been invited to AMAs for other projects as well, and they also have a substantial number of listeners. You can indeed reach out to our Twitter staff and the Asian market team to find out how to acquire users.
If you don’t agree with this marketing approach, it also shouldn’t lead to criticizing the EMC team’s abilities in hardware, software, networking, and their contributions to ICP.
Enabling ICP to be used by more people is a crucial goal of the ICP Asia-Pacific Alliance and also aligns with the value that EMC aims to bring to ICP. Why are our capabilities to establish extensive collaborations and acquire potential users being labeled as a scam?
Is it wrong for any project to do marketing to make more outside people engage in ICP? If there are bots here, you should question Twitter. Like Musk, we also hate Twitter bots. I believe that Twitter’s rapid improvements have effectively disable many bots and made it easier for us to gain genuine potential users.
Through EMC, a significant number of ETH and FIL miners in China, Japan, Singapore have already created ICP wallets and trade. In the future, more AI developers and users will purchase ICP and access computing power of EMC. As an individual investor in ICP, I believe this is something ICP needs.
Each node on EMC is bind with a real ICP Wallet (Principal ID) to receive EMC reward. You can see there are over 21000 nodes in total and over 3000 daily active nodes.
Out of respect for the community, let me explain one last time. The EMC team partners are all experienced entrepreneurs with successful startup experiences. The product has a large number of users, but most of them are in China and are not web3 users. They don’t use Twitter (everyone in China uses WeChat instead). Before each AMA, EMC’s operations team will do a lot of promotion on WeChat (trying to avoid web3 vocabulary and only mentioning AI). We believe that it is easier to attract web2 users to indirectly enter web3 through AI. That’s also why later AMAs try to use bilingual Chinese and English, because many Chinese users complain about not understanding. This method may not be familiar to you, but it can bring effective traffic.
If you noticed that the number of AMA participants released by EMChub has been low recently, it’s because Twitter crashed and we couldn’t notify a large number of users in time of the new entry point (if it was a bot, it should not be affected).
I understand that the world of blockchain is cruel and full of deception. But from our position, we have made so much effort and work hard every day, yet we are always accused of fraud. This is a very unfair and frustrating thing. We could completely ignore it because many big neurons have done DD directly with the EMC team and they know us well and have written a lot of content (in fact, I found that most people won’t go see it, which is even more frustrating). But I still take time to reply every day because I believe that web3 is a process of preaching, and achieving decentralization requires continuous communication. Every time I get angry, I always tell myself that people will one day understand what EMC is doing. Those who questioned EMC today will also become believers in EMC in the future. This may be transformed into our motivation.
I appreciate the response ninadou!
I work in marketing, so when I first see metrics like that it’s always my first instinct to associate it with botting tactics.
I’m in no way criticizing the team for hardware, software, or their contributions to ICP ecosystem. I was only referencing the information I seen on Twitter which led to my assumptions. I even tracked 3rd party apps to find more spaces data. Which surprisingly didn’t show any data for your spaces. I use this all the time, very resourceful tool. So yes, this led to my assumption. My apologies!
It’s okay to pay for marketing, the IC ecosystem needs much more reach. We can’t grow the ecosystem if we don’t attract new users!
I appreciate the EMC team for having interest in building and contributing to the ICP network! Looking forward to seeing the how the team progresses!
Thanks again, ninadou!
Zed has a background in Computational Mathematics, and my major is cryptography. We both believe the value of blockchain and decetralization more than many people else and hate scams.
Because of scams, those of us who take risks and venture into this industry often face unwarranted accusations. So we work hard to create a transparent, open, fair, global, and legitimate Web3 business that is not a Ponzi scheme.
Lastly, I also refer to the promotional content our team wrote for our goal during the early stages: Due to EMC’s decentralized nature, future computing power pricing will no longer depend on the credit of centralized institutions, but on the reliability of mathematics and cryptography.
Thank you! So delighted to meet a marketing professional on the ICP Forum! Maybe we can collaborate and contribute to making ICP more widely known.
Your reminder is very valid for us. These operations can lead to misunderstandings, and I will forward to our Twitter colleague.
Personally, I have also been lead one app with over a hundred million registered users and millions of daily active users. (it’s not hard in China 
) So we are trying gradually introducing Asian users to the Web3 and ICP ecosystem through AI Apps.
No, the EMC Foundation is incorporated in Singapore (and I know because I checked their public registration records doing my own due diligence on the project) and the EMC project team are based in Singapore and Hong Kong. Singapore has always been a safe and supportive jurisdiction for international business operations large and small. Hong Kong has recently passed legislation supporting genuine business activities based on digital tokens. DFINITY itself has recently set up an office in Hong Kong.
Hong Kong is literally the business bridge between China and the rest of the world which is why these special legislation applies so that foreign (ie outside mainland China) businesses can establish operations there to trade goods and services with Chinese companies without having to operate fully within Chinese regulations and law. It has been this way in one form or another for over a century.
So no, they are NOT “operating EMC illegally from China” anymore than DFINITY or hundreds of other American, European and Asian businesses are by operating in Hong Kong. Please DYOR before firing off accusations of illegality.
Hong Kong has an open attitude and is very friendly to web3 entrepreneurs. Large consortia are welcome to play.
2 years later then know .
Right, so do you know the reasons why EMC needs to use IC to create it’s decentralized GPU cloud (as opposed to using Etheruem/Arbitrum/Cosmos/Solana)?
As best as i understood from my conversations with @alxgoh many months ago, it has to do with the vision of storing and processing key operational data elements on IC (such as users, nodes , compute power, provability of compute etc).
As i pointed out at the time, storing actual models would be not feasible on IC because of, primarily, latency.
What follows is NOT legal/financial advice. DYOR. For education/entertainment purpose only.
I have , personally, seen quite a change in @zed.emc evolution in dealing with IC community in a good way.
I have had quite a few interactions with @alxgoh , @ninadou and one with zed over zoom, tg etc.
It seems to me that the community is torn with the potential of EMC (success or scam). Part of this is just disbelief that this is possible. Part of this is how can we trust the developers. Part of this is simply being nit-picky (10% instead of 11% CF)
I believe that absent the DFINITY vote, the proposal would have passed. IMO objections to EMC proposal by DFINITY were important; but pro-forma (details not quite aligning up with what was stated before, etc). I view this to be extremely encouraging because nowhere (that i can see) is the view that this will never work.
I look forward to the updated proposal.
