Subnet Management - nl6hn (Application)

This topic is intended to capture Subnet Management activities over time for the nl6hn subnet, providing a place to ask questions and make observations about the management of this subnet.

At the time of creating this topic the current subnet configuration is as follows:

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{
  "version": 44325,
  "records": [
    {
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      "version": 44325,
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          "cvryq-gpest-bfwqd-m6sce-7atse-publw-vcki4-yyny5-wb2su-yr44m-gae",
          "77fe5-a4oq4-o5pk6-glxt7-ejfpv-tdkrr-24mgs-yuvvz-2tqx6-mowdr-eae",
          "mt54u-t6z4l-fkx5l-2xwfe-g3u34-kzd44-2d3f2-xu6ty-lpc6z-pex4y-5qe",
          "uxbqo-4ugdi-djpsm-h6lcd-sdtcm-g7vve-4ajsi-lnv3n-ujnbi-2tgos-7qe",
          "5hpo7-g35qx-gomzb-ev6u4-uuhmm-mx3vz-dtx6z-ey7jc-bgzgw-hhv2i-sae",
          "u7niu-lhdw7-x2lje-t4vif-jan6i-wzanp-twrqw-sv3so-ft3x5-iqmnv-kqe",
          "ptxxp-fechw-m6taf-lrkaj-hwtas-rxq6p-o6tko-yho6t-cjfzc-zkgdd-sae",
          "d2hzh-j3wzi-mkmcx-ufb6u-5gft4-ta7yt-xq4qo-dncvt-y6dov-xbujm-hae",
          "5jxvk-4hn3t-7bzwt-enxfa-4u7rh-n3fno-t33ly-74lic-z2uep-zqlvp-nqe",
          "5aaq4-rdwmq-au7kc-lziuc-ii4hi-ygyx7-qalig-2ytfu-rsxtm-h6pt5-aae",
          "tvuwv-w7ks3-jpphq-dnilk-ewkuy-izc4x-sal4e-25dhc-7tsoy-uknfw-lqe",
          "diz6c-cfgpz-4itzw-ufwi2-zdc5d-uwcvx-gfhcd-7pjnm-526lr-lyuh5-6ae"
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        "max_ingress_bytes_per_message": 2097152,
        "max_ingress_messages_per_block": 1000,
        "max_block_payload_size": 4194304,
        "unit_delay_millis": 1000,
        "initial_notary_delay_millis": 600,
        "replica_version_id": "a3831c87440df4821b435050c8a8fcb3745d86f6",
        "dkg_interval_length": 499,
        "start_as_nns": false,
        "subnet_type": "application",
        "features": {
          "canister_sandboxing": false,
          "http_requests": true,
          "sev_enabled": false
        },
        "max_number_of_canisters": 120000,
        "ssh_readonly_access": [],
        "ssh_backup_access": [],
        "ecdsa_config": null,
        "chain_key_config": null
      }
    }
  ]
}
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Thereā€™s an open proposal for changing subnet membership - Proposal: 131405 - ICP Dashboard (internetcomputer.org). This information is presented below:

  • red marker represents a removed node
  • green marker represents an added node
  • highlighted patches represent the country a node sits within

Table
Country Data Center Owner Node Provider Node
--- Germany Munich (mu1) q.beyond Staking Facilities tvuwv-w7ks3-jpphq-dnilk-ewkuy-izc4x-sal4e-25dhc-7tsoy-uknfw-lqe
+++ India Greater Noida 1 (gn1) Yotta ACCUSET SOLUTIONS pojjf-vh65n-rephu-6rm4t-3zdx3-5pnon-csrf2-wlm32-z3tak-qyefb-fae
Belgium Antwerp (an1) Datacenter United Allusion 77fe5-a4oq4-o5pk6-glxt7-ejfpv-tdkrr-24mgs-yuvvz-2tqx6-mowdr-eae
Switzerland Geneva 2 (ge2) SafeHost Archery Blockchain SCSp 5aaq4-rdwmq-au7kc-lziuc-ii4hi-ygyx7-qalig-2ytfu-rsxtm-h6pt5-aae
Switzerland Zurich 4 (zh4) Nine.Ch Tomahawk.vc ptxxp-fechw-m6taf-lrkaj-hwtas-rxq6p-o6tko-yho6t-cjfzc-zkgdd-sae
China HongKong 4 (hk4) hkntt Origin Game cvryq-gpest-bfwqd-m6sce-7atse-publw-vcki4-yyny5-wb2su-yr44m-gae
Germany Frankfurt 2 (fr2) Equinix Virtual Hive Ltd d2hzh-j3wzi-mkmcx-ufb6u-5gft4-ta7yt-xq4qo-dncvt-y6dov-xbujm-hae
Singapore Singapore (sg1) Telin OneSixtyTwo Digital Capital diz6c-cfgpz-4itzw-ufwi2-zdc5d-uwcvx-gfhcd-7pjnm-526lr-lyuh5-6ae
Slovenia Ljubljana (lj1) Posita.si Fractal Labs AG 5jxvk-4hn3t-7bzwt-enxfa-4u7rh-n3fno-t33ly-74lic-z2uep-zqlvp-nqe
Sweden Stockholm 1 (sh1) Digital Realty DFINITY Operations SA mt54u-t6z4l-fkx5l-2xwfe-g3u34-kzd44-2d3f2-xu6ty-lpc6z-pex4y-5qe
United States of America (the) Atlanta 2 (at2) Datasite Giant Leaf, LLC uxbqo-4ugdi-djpsm-h6lcd-sdtcm-g7vve-4ajsi-lnv3n-ujnbi-2tgos-7qe
United States of America (the) Boston (bo1) INAP DFINITY USA Research LLC 4jtgm-ywxcc-xh3o3-x2omx-tgmdm-gobca-agb3a-alvw4-dhmyn-khis6-xae
United States of America (the) Jacksonville (jv1) Tierpoint 9Yards Capital u7niu-lhdw7-x2lje-t4vif-jan6i-wzanp-twrqw-sv3so-ft3x5-iqmnv-kqe
United States of America (the) Portland (pl1) Flexential 87m Neuron, LLC 5hpo7-g35qx-gomzb-ev6u4-uuhmm-mx3vz-dtx6z-ey7jc-bgzgw-hhv2i-sae

The removed node is replaced with a node based in India. This certainly seems positive for decentralisation (many existing nodes are clustered in central Europe). Iā€™ve verified that this node is currently unassigned.

The proposal mentions that his change is needed due to the Munich (mu1) data centre being due for decommissioning. I have some questions about this which Iā€™ve asked on another topic.

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DFINITY will submit an NNS proposal today to reduce the notarization delay on the subnet, nl6hn, similar to what has happened on other subnets in recent weeks (you can find all details in this forum thread).

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Voted to adopt proposal 133064. The initial_notary_delay_millis is set to 300 and the subnet_id is correct.

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Voted to adopt proposal 134182, as the reasoning is sound and the description matches the payload. This proposal replaces 2 healthy nodes, both of which appear as ā€œActiveā€ on the IC dashboard. The proposed change improves decentralisation with respect to country and brings the target topology parameters to within the requirements.

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Proposal 134182

TLDR: Iā€™m planning to adopt. This is a nice proposal! It results in this subnet meeting the IC Target Topology (reducing the max number of nodes per country from 4 to 2 - see ā€˜Decentralisation Statsā€™ below for more detail).

Motivation:

  • replacing node 4jtgm-ywxcc-xh3o3-x2omx-tgmdm-gobca-agb3a-alvw4-dhmyn-khis6-xae to optimize network topology
  • replacing node uxbqo-4ugdi-djpsm-h6lcd-sdtcm-g7vve-4ajsi-lnv3n-ujnbi-2tgos-7qe to optimize network topology

2 US nodes replaced with nodes in Canada and South Korea.

Decentralisation Stats

Subnet node distance stats (distance between any 2 nodes in the subnet) ā†’

Smallest Distance Average Distance Largest Distance
EXISTING 304.333 km 6843.946 km 16464.988 km
PROPOSED 304.333 km 6796.317 km (-0.7%) 16464.988 km

Subnet characteristic counts ā†’

Continents Countries Data Centers Owners Node Providers Node Operator
EXISTING 3 9 13 13 13 13
PROPOSED 3 11 (+18.2%) 13 13 13 13

This proposal slightly improves decentralisation in terms of jurisdiction diversity. :+1:

Largest number of nodes with the same characteristic (e.g. continent, country, data center, etc.) ā†’

Continent Country Data Center Owner Node Provider Node Operator
EXISTING 6 4 1 1 1 1
PROPOSED 6 2 (-50%) 1 1 1 1
:star_struck: :point_up:

See here for acceptable limits ā†’ Motion 132136

The above subnet information is illustrated below, followed by a node reference table:

Map Description
  • Red marker represents a removed node (transparent center for overlap visibility)
  • Green marker represents an added node
  • Blue marker represents an unchanged node
  • Highlighted patches represent the country the above nodes sit within (red if the country is removed, green if added, otherwise grey)
  • Light grey markers with yellow borders are examples of unassigned nodes that would be viable candidates for joining the subnet according to formal decentralisation coefficients (so this proposal can be viewed in the context of alternative solutions that are not being used)

Table
Continent Country Data Center Owner Node Provider Node Operator Node Status Performance
--- Americas United States of America (the) Atlanta 2 (at2) Datasite Giant Leaf, LLC bmlhw uxbqo-4ugdi-djpsm-h6lcd-sdtcm-g7vve-4ajsi-lnv3n-ujnbi-2tgos-7qe UP :bar_chart:
--- Americas United States of America (the) Boston (bo1) INAP DFINITY USA Research LLC ut325 4jtgm-ywxcc-xh3o3-x2omx-tgmdm-gobca-agb3a-alvw4-dhmyn-khis6-xae UP :bar_chart:
+++ Americas Canada Toronto (to1) Cyxtera Blockchain Development Labs 6oxlv 5d6pj-kr2cs-yijtb-45xtd-li5fv-eovkz-g3gh2-huatz-ozd63-kezlr-wqe UNASSIGNED :bar_chart:
+++ Asia Korea (the Republic of) Seoul 2 (kr2) Gasan Web3game 5dwhe nebck-zsvl3-ihtov-dgrji-q7xly-qhbwu-53rao-7ysgi-x7aof-wgvna-eae UNASSIGNED :bar_chart:
Europe Belgium Antwerp (an1) Datacenter United Allusion pgunx 77fe5-a4oq4-o5pk6-glxt7-ejfpv-tdkrr-24mgs-yuvvz-2tqx6-mowdr-eae UP :bar_chart:
Europe Switzerland Zurich 4 (zh4) Nine.Ch Tomahawk.vc paxme ptxxp-fechw-m6taf-lrkaj-hwtas-rxq6p-o6tko-yho6t-cjfzc-zkgdd-sae UP :bar_chart:
Asia China HongKong 4 (hk4) hkntt Origin Game aaxec cvryq-gpest-bfwqd-m6sce-7atse-publw-vcki4-yyny5-wb2su-yr44m-gae UP :bar_chart:
Europe Germany Frankfurt 2 (fr2) Equinix Virtual Hive Ltd 3nu7r d2hzh-j3wzi-mkmcx-ufb6u-5gft4-ta7yt-xq4qo-dncvt-y6dov-xbujm-hae UP :bar_chart:
Europe Germany Geneva 2 (ge2) SafeHost Archery Blockchain SCSp 5atxd 5aaq4-rdwmq-au7kc-lziuc-ii4hi-ygyx7-qalig-2ytfu-rsxtm-h6pt5-aae UP :bar_chart:
Asia India Greater Noida 1 (gn1) Yotta ACCUSET SOLUTIONS slaxf pojjf-vh65n-rephu-6rm4t-3zdx3-5pnon-csrf2-wlm32-z3tak-qyefb-fae UP :bar_chart:
Asia Singapore Singapore (sg1) Telin OneSixtyTwo Digital Capital d4bin diz6c-cfgpz-4itzw-ufwi2-zdc5d-uwcvx-gfhcd-7pjnm-526lr-lyuh5-6ae UP :bar_chart:
Europe Slovenia Ljubljana (lj1) Posita.si Fractal Labs AG gl27f 5jxvk-4hn3t-7bzwt-enxfa-4u7rh-n3fno-t33ly-74lic-z2uep-zqlvp-nqe UP :bar_chart:
Europe Sweden Stockholm 1 (sh1) Digital Realty DFINITY Operations SA lgp6d mt54u-t6z4l-fkx5l-2xwfe-g3u34-kzd44-2d3f2-xu6ty-lpc6z-pex4y-5qe UP :bar_chart:
Americas United States of America (the) Jacksonville (jv1) Tierpoint 9Yards Capital wmrev u7niu-lhdw7-x2lje-t4vif-jan6i-wzanp-twrqw-sv3so-ft3x5-iqmnv-kqe UP :bar_chart:
Americas United States of America (the) Portland (pl1) Flexential 87m Neuron, LLC lz4fy 5hpo7-g35qx-gomzb-ev6u4-uuhmm-mx3vz-dtx6z-ey7jc-bgzgw-hhv2i-sae UP :bar_chart:

Known Neurons to follow if you're too busy to keep on top of things like this

If you found this analysis helpful and would like to follow the vote of the LORIMER known neuron in the future, consider configuring LORIMER as a followee for the Subnet Management topic.

Another good neuron to follow is Synapse (follows the LORIMER and CodeGov known neurons for Subnet Management, and is a generally well informed known neuron to follow on numerous other topics)

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Voted to adopt proposal #134182.

The proposal replaces 2 healthy Active status nodes form Boston and Atlanta 2, US with Awaiting nodes from Seoul 2, KR and Toronto, CA in order to optimize network topology.

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Voted to adopt proposal 134182. The proposal replaces two nodes from subnet nl6hn:
Removed Nodes: 4jtgm, uxbqo.
Added Nodes: nebck and 5d6pj.
The proposal was verified using the DRE tool to verify the metrics stated. All nodes replaced are healthy but this replacements improve the network topology on the country` metric by reducing the number of nodes in the US from 4 to 2.

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Voted to adopt proposal 134410.

This proposal replaces node 5hpo7 which appears in the dashboard as ā€œStatus: Activeā€. As shown in the proposal, decentralisation parameters are unchanged and remain within the requirements of the target topology.

The stated purpose of this change is to remove nodes in the PL1 data centre as the node provider ā€œis selling the PL1 DC after 48 monthsā€. Itā€™s not clear from the information linked whether the node provider is selling the entire data centre or just the node machines, but removal of the nodes for one or other of these purposes is consistent with this post from the node provider, the processes described in the same forum thread and the information in 87m Neuronā€™s node provider record in the IC dashboard. Additionally, the self-declaration documents provided match the provided hashes.

Proposal 134410

Vote: ADOPT

This proposal is part of a sequence of steps to remove cordoned nodes from subnets as the associated data centeres are being offboarded after 48 months of their respective DC contracts that are still private and were signed up before the Genesis. There is a great and detailed explanation of this changes in this forum post and the forum thread it is in. In the wiki there is a series of Steps for Gen-1 Node onboarding after 48 months that need to be followed in order for the nodes to continue earning rewards which starts by making a forum post in the following thread. As we can verify no one as come forward with nodes from the DCs in this proposals so I donā€™t see any issues with the removal of this nodes.

Iā€™ve voted to reject proposal 134410. It makes claims that I see no clear way of verifying. This sort of verifiability issue was brought up months ago, where it was indicated that NPs would provide explicit confirmation of their alignment with specific proposals that are based on an understanding between the NP and the proposer. The proposal doesnā€™t link to such a post. Note that there are issues with that approach as well (given the ease with which such posts could be forged by the proposer), but this would at least be a start.

Iā€™m currently thinking about starting a discussion and an associated motion proposal, about how to make this sort of thing more verifiable.