I would also like to make the point that some of the individuals targeted in this thread have had a very very long time to address these sorts of concerns but have chosen to repetitively ignore questions and opportunities to explain themselves.
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Here are some more funny ones.
Serenity Lotus, 4 days on forums, Good Health, no website. November 2023.
Artur is a Maritime lawyer based in Cyprus who has set up a shell company in the BVIs.
WMA Investments Limited. Good health, November 2023, 2 days on forums before making a proposal. Poland (hey Poland how u doin?).
https://cy.linkedin.com/in/katerina-hadjikyriacou-a0974061 - tax associate based in Cyprus.
Now you’re not even trying!
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You are looking for a pattern where there is none.
Number of days the NP spent on the forum before making a proposal: irrelevant and inaccurate. Who knows how long someone spent on the forum before making a proposal, they could have read through the forum for ages before registering, or have multiple forum IDs, or neither, either way, totally irrelevant.
Boilerplate message: yes, it’s a boilerplate process to onboard nodes, so people use boilerplate messages that they see didn’t get rejected in previous proposals. This is not suspicious whatsoever. When making proposals, there are also boilerplate instructions for that.
Subnet management: node providers do not manage subnet composition. You can easily verify in the forum and with the proposals on the dashboard how, when, for what reason and by who nodes are added and removed from subnets. It has nothing to do with node providers. These node providers you are highlighting actually all have relatively few nodes and in countries with few nodes, so probably the decentralisation tooling would pick their nodes to be assigned more frequently to meet decentralisation criteria.
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signed up 13th Jan 2024, proposal 2 days later. Good health. My god, we must be a healthy bunch of developers here in the IC.
could have found this in a dumpster
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Or more likely people who are aware of the criteria for decentralisation are gaming the system with tens, hundreds of fake identities.
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My point exactly, was just gonna look for that.
Sure, but not one of them decided to customise it? Did they think that if they gave a personal message that “Computer Says No”.
This doesn’t explain any of my other points, the subnets, the fact that all of these providers signed up within a short period of time and managed to get on all the critical subnets.
What about the five Ukranian guys that have one machine in each of seven datacenters?
What about the fact that the vast majority of these people have absolutely no connection to technology or crypto at all?
I tell you what, if these people were actually excited about the technology they’d do a lot more than copy and paste a boilerplate intro. That gives me an idea let me check other forum posts.
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Nope. Currently there 143 node providers registered on the dashboard. Deduct all those that have no nodes onboarded at all, leaves even fewer. Then the majority is still Gen 1 node providers which were all onboarded by Dfinity themselves in a completely different process and they have the majority of nodes. So then you are left with a slither of Gen 2 node providers who have quite few nodes in comparison and actually set up nodes in decentralised location because this was the goal at the time - to decentralise nodes.
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I’m not sure what point you’re refuting. The spreadsheet doesn’t lie, the majority of critical node machines are owned by people with no connection to technology, people hiding behind shell companies, with no forum activity other than the proposal.
Decentralising geographically != decentralising ownership
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I went down this rabbit hole over a year ago, raised concerns, and nothing happened. It’s such a core axiom of the IC that nothing will happen until a subnet gets hacked, if someone ever dares to put a sizable amount of money on the IC (ICP doesn’t count).
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Yral.com
Hotornot.wtf
Icpump.fun
Pumpdump.fun
How many users use these monthly?
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What other forum activity should they have? There other channels for node providers to communicate and the only time they need to communicate really is when there is a problem with running their nodes. And what does people’s supposed connection to technology have to do with anything? There are also people who simply do it as an investment opportunity and that is all. Of course, to actually onboard nodes and run nodes you need to have SOME technological affinity and, crucially, network administration skills. Otherwise you’d probably not get a proposal submitted or your node onboarded at all. But beyond that? It’s a one-off investment.
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Like 100,000 canisters worth of people
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No one uses any of them Dapps apart from bots
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Nothing personal, I just don’t want people sybil attacking the IC
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Folks, I understand this is a hot topic that is worth discussing, but please try to keep posts productive. Posting 2-3 line train-of-thought updates every few minutes does not help the conversation stay productive.
I believe this is a topic that should be discussed, so I would like to not close this discussion entirely. But overnight there were a lot of flagged posts that were either inappropriate or pure ad-hominem. Pleas keep it a bit more civil
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Thank you Severin for this wise guidance. As a community we need user adoption and external recognition as a reliable network. Aggressive, internal feud does get us toward that reputation. I would suggest to bring this topic to the Node Provider Working Group, managed by @louisevelayo This has proven to be a platform for constructive, civilized discussion.
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- does NOT get us towards that reputation
You do seem to be an actual human with a company. There’s some green going into the spreadsheet for a change. Hope you get some nodes at some point.
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