Indeed, I am. I just learnt about commit spoofing thanks to @justmythoughts (thanks for pointing me to it).
Regardless of whether it’s been explained as a joke, attempts have been made to make the SNS look endorsed by a figurehead of DFINITY. That’s extremely duplicitous. Couple this with the fact that control over funds will remain centralised, due to:
an off-chain agent managing the treasury (as far as I gather)
airdrop funds being controlled by one person (presumably the same person managing the LLM)
Add to this the fact that the proposal says it links to forum discussion (but you follow the link and it just takes you to the landing page, rather than this thread), and the unexplained lack of adherence to prescribed timelines… The above points are the sorts of things that the SNS framework and procedure have been designed to protect against.
If any of the various things that could go wrong do go wrong with this SNS, it will be a very bad look for the IC and the SNS framework. I’ll leave it at that and stop posting any further comments on this. I do think DFINITY’s stance requires a better explanation though.
While there will be no ALICE in an SNS controlled treasury, all the ICP raised will be controlled by the SNS. Hence, the treasury is subject to all the SNS framework rules (withdrawal limits and time delays and 2/3 super majority proposals). Of course, the SNS can choose to move the ICP treasury off chain, but they would be doing that under the workflow defined for all SNS projects. It will be time consuming just like it is for WaterNeuron.
Any other token that is considered part of the Alice treasury (e.g. BOB) would be tokens that are not originally sourced from this SNS.
Thanks for clarifying Wenzel. Will the AI agent be raising treasury transfer proposals? Just want to confirm how the DAO will be retaining control, while the off-chain AI is calling the shots (sorry, I know I said my prior post was the last - I’d like to understand this bit though)
My simple test for evaluating this proposal was this—If I were to participate in this token swap, will I be able to contribute to the core offering of the project?
I’m interpreting the proposal as if ALICE is a working piece of software, and my understanding is ALICE’s trading ability is a core offering that is influencing participation.
If I can’t contribute to ALICE’s code, then this isn’t the DAO that is being advertised in the proposal.
How did you come to the conclusion that the AI agent will be off chain? I haven’t seen any statements making this claim except from you. The proposal seems to indicate that the Alice AI agent will be on chain and that all updates will be made by SNS vote (the 2 day voting period will be brutal for actively participating voters though). This does not require a vote for every individual trade or position created by the AI agent. Perhaps you saw something that I missed. Please provide a link that shows where it is claimed that the AI agent is off chain.
It’s currently off-chain (else it would be hosted by one or more of the canisters listed for decentralisation). Apparently this is consistent with comments from ALICE on X (though I’ve not read them, there are too many). I take it there’s a promise it will be on-chain in the future.
Until that point, how are the trades going to be executed - or will it not be executing any trades until that point? My concern is that there’ll be a follow up proposal after launch granting an off-chain ALICE control over the swap funds.
I’m simply asking questions, and hoping to pin down answers.
So happy we have move forward with this Aice.ai dfinity should pull out all stops promoting everything and everybody involved with the ai narrative, lets not let other competitive spheres of dubious integrity steal and run with the only ai on chain. Alice will be our canary in the mine! lovingly!
The ALICE decentralization swap will end soon, which means that people will be looking for known neurons to follow with their new ALICE neurons. It was previously announced earlier in this forum thread and in the Bob telegram chat group that CodeGov will have a known neuron for this SNS that people can follow. As soon as the neuron ID is known it will be updated here.
For anyone who is not already aware, when you receive your 2 new neurons after the decentralization swap, one will be unlocked and the other will be locked for 1 day. You are free to disperse your ALICE tokens and do whatever you want with them. If you decide to participate in governance for the ALICE SNS, then you can stake your tokens and set your dissolve delay to anything between 1 day and 3.5 years. Since all tokens are virtually liquid at launch, the governance rewards for staking and voting are likely to be very high. There is a 69% max dissolve delay bonus and a 42% max age bonus (max age is 5.75 years). The reward rate is 6.9% initially and will decrease to 4.2% over 3.5 years.
One of the nice features of SNS governance participation is the concept of liquid democracy. This means you can configure your neuron to follow other neurons so that they will cast your vote on the proposal topics you configure. Since the voting period for non-critical ALICE proposals is only 2 days, you may find that you want to configure a neuron to follow. If you don’t vote, then you don’t earn voting rewards. Hence, if you decide to follow someone else, then you should be confident that they are a credible and reliable Followee. This a goal for the CodeGov ALICE neuron. We want to offer a decentralization option that is known as a credible and reliable Followee option with people who are well known in the Alice SNS.
There are 3 proposal topics that are considered “critical” and have special status in the SNS framework. These critical topics have a 5 day voting period and require 2/3 majority to pass. There are also 3 other important topics that should be configured with Followees as well. These are the topics that have a 2 day voting period and only require a 50% majority to pass. It is recommended that you configure known neurons as Followees for all 6 of these topics. If you choose to follow the CodeGov ALICE neuron for these topics, then we will strive to ensure you are maximizing voting rewards and we will do it by voting intelligently on every proposal. Our Followees are asked to vote with their own convictions so the consensus of these Followees will trigger the CodeGov ALICE neuron vote.
Critical Topics:
Topic 9: Transfer SNS Treasury Funds (this is considered a critical proposal topic)
Topic 11: Deregister dapp canisters (this is considered a critical proposal topic)
Topic 12: Mint SNS tokens (this is considered a critical proposal topic)
Important Topics:
Topic 0: All non-critical proposals
Topic 1: Motion
Topic 2: Manage nervous system parameters
