Please follow
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if you want to see Alice turned back into BOB. No joke. Let’s make it a thing, and don’t let another project get taken over by the swamp.
Robert has been manipulated I believe. He wants his ICP (taken from Bob miners who were lied to about the SNS sale). Wenzel wants to destroy another project. Let’s stop them!
All ICP treasury can go back to the OG Bob Miners / SNS participants.
https://dashboard.internetcomputer.org/sns/oh4fn-kyaaa-aaaaq-aaega-cai/proposal/38
We have 32.9% of the vote. Please vote NO to stop Bob and Wenzel draining the treasury.
Every DAO is going to end up moving out of the SNS under these circumstances, unless they are heavily protected by Dfinity (like OC, Catalyze, etc.). @Kyle_Langham @bjoernek
Since it appears that the ALICE SNS is a takeover target for no apparent reason, I’ll take this opportunity to remind folks that the CodeGov ALICE neuron is a viable option to follow if needed. The ALICE SNS is showing no signs of weakness given that we have rejected all proposals. Every vote is very important and we need to keep voter turnout at very high levels. Please perform your own due diligence if you intend to vote for yourself. Be aware that there have been a lot of details presented in the proposals that are false or misleading. Please be careful with your vote and don’t be fooled into thinking the leading side is the right answer in the middle of the voting period.
If your don’t have the time or energy to perform proper due diligence on ALICE proposals before you vote, then please consider setting your neuron to follow the CodeGov ALICE neuron. We have a team of people who care a lot about the ALICE SNS and are willing to evaluate each proposal properly. You can learn more on our website at codegov.org.
CodeGov ALICE neuron: 684b658cff3dd5d92098e41ff6db53ad3bea097dd9c3d09313bc24c699d64248
You can set the CodeGov neuron as a Followee for any proposal topic you choose, but the proposal topics below are the most important.
All non-critical topics
Manage nervous system parameters
Set topics for custom proposals
Transfer SNS treasury funds (critical)
Mint SNS tokens (critical)
Deregister Dapp Canisters (critical)
The CodeGov neuron vote is typically triggered based on consensus of our Followees and they need time to evaluate and vote on each proposal. Hence, the CodeGov vote is not typically cast immediately. Please be patient as we properly evaluate proposals.
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I’m not sure why you keep trying to push this narrative, but you certainly haven’t substantiated it @borovan. It’s not true. Robert was transparent about the relationship between BOB and ALICE from day 1 and it was his choice to use the SNS framework as a tool to decentralize the canisters for the BOB miners and launchpad. Most people in the community don’t think they need any upgrades, which is why there haven’t been any. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. The ALICE SNS has stewardship responsibilities for these BOB canisters because that’s what Robert wanted and so far the community has demonstrated an intent to continue following Robert. I see no need to change, especially through any attempt you make to take over the ALICE SNS.
Again, another unsubstantiated claim and false ad hominem attack. I have no interest in destroying any ICP project including ALICE. I’m not the one going around spreading lies and buying out SNS projects in unethical and potentially illegal ways. My goal is to help advance decentralization of the NNS and of specific SNS projects such as Alice and WaterNeuron. I go out of my way to establish a credible and reliable role as a known neuron in these communities and that has resulted in a lot of people who are willing to trust their Followee selection to the CodeGov neurons. This is exactly how liquid democracy is supposed to work and should not be constantly attacked by people like you.
The ALICE treasury will fund whatever the ALICE SNS decides is important as per the result of treasury transfer proposals. So far, the SNS has decided they want those transfers to go to the ALICE trading agent that Robert is building. Feel free to jump in and review the code of the canisters for that agent and offer technical input. It would be great if you use your voting power and influence for something productive instead of wasting your time trying to take over the ALICE SNS, which doesn’t need you for that purpose.
I did not submit that proposal. I review and vote on the proposal just like everyone else. Please stop claiming that I am trying to drain the treasury. It’s a lie and I’ve told you so dozens of times now.
@Leadership @Severin @Kyle_Langham @Ang @samuelburri how long is this nonsense going to be allowed to go on before you take action on your promise to properly moderate the forum? I get constant harassment from @borovan like this and it needs to stop. He can’t go around telling people that I’m trying to drain a treasury or that I’m trying to destroy an SNS project. There is zero evidence to this effect and I go out of my way to prove otherwise. Please establish expectations that forum discussions will be fair and respectful. I don’t mind intellectually honest debates and differences of opinion, but @borovan constantly turns it into ad hominem and blatant lies. It needs to stop.
As a safety measure, Seers has deregistered its main canister and transferred the remaining treasury ($100k) to a developer account. We hope Dfinity recognizes that the current situation is undermining trust in both the Internet Computer and Dfinity itself, and takes action to strengthen the SNS DAO — protecting small communities from powerful actors. In the meantime, we will continue developing Seers as an independent project, separate from the SNS.
Quite honestly, while this is counter to the intent of decentralization through the SNS framework, it definitely feels like the only reasonable option in some situations. This drain the swap initiative and constant attacks that dev teams and community leaders are facing from @borovan is ridiculous. There have been a few positive outcomes from what he is doing, but most of it is destroying investor confidence in ICP. He lacks the ability to provide focused and verifiable substance behind his accusations and he is throwing his weight around as a large investor and an insider that has influence at Dfinity. The long term consequences of this behavior is not likely to be positive for ICP.
Please clarify this claim with evidence. It is not true. I know nothing about their marketing partnerships. I simply stood up and said I thought the dev team had credibility when they were launching and that was based on my experience through the ICP Maximalist Network chat group on Telegram. That is not promoting the project. That is simply saying that I am an ICP community member who has had a positive experience with the dev team in a completely different community context.
More ad hominem @Leadership. How long will this be allowed to go on?
@borovan you have no idea how much skin on the game I have because it’s none of your business. I value privacy and separation of investment from governance. I can assure you that my skin in the game is more than sufficient for me to care enough about the ICP ecosystem and specific SNS projects that I’m willing to stand up to you and fight for what is right.
Why was this post automatically hidden? @Ang @Severin @Kyle_Langham. What is it about the post that triggered the automatic action?
I literally had to go against you to get to the SNS…
As it should be. Do hardly anything for years and investors should have the ability to take their funds back. You’re lucky you don’t get a lawsuit.
I’m happy to return your funds — I was always fine with that. The problem is that you don’t seem to care (“got bored and participated in the SNS”). You only want me to leave for some reason.
I was about to ask for an address, how can I dm you something?
I think we should handle it as properly as possible. If you can, please rage quit like everyone else: sell your neurons on https://idgeek.app/ and submit a proposal to the DAO to buy them.
