Deliberation is an extremely important step of any democracy. Proposals with out deliberation is aggressive.
Hence from now on I’m going to personally be voting no on all proposals that are not given ample time for deliberation on this platform.
I am only posting this on the forum to encourage everyone to do the same.
Edit: this goes specially for named neuron. I think if you want to be a representative of community you need to introduce your self formally.
I plan to follow your lead. Deliberation is a very important part of the proposal process.
I also think it’s important to designate this forum as the place for deliberation. We can not do it in different platforms and have people be confused.
Sure, but we need to avoid becoming this cohort of users who gate people who don’t know about our rules because they didn’t follow our rules. The proposal process needs a lot of clarity added…
I think if you want to make a proposal you should do your home work as to what is required, it’s a very low bar to be a contributor to make changes of a multi billion dollar blockchain.
I personally do not think this forum will ever be anything except another echo chamber. Read the fine print in the user agreement/ FAQs page. I would like to encourage the community to design a better forum/ platform all together. I now will only watch or read with limited interaction on this forum ever. point blank. If this forum becomes the “gate” you’ll lose voices, privacy, your data. I wanted the opposite personally.
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This is what we get when DFINITY employees and friends want to run the governance cartel
yeah, apparently so.
The bar is on the floor. Bare minimum make a post on a public forum. If you want make a post and portal on dscvr but everyone needs time to talk to the person to make sure they are real and their proposal is real and possible.
Complaining doesn’t help anyone please post solutions.
So far, the ‘solutions’ on this forum have been absolutely terrible. Anyone with decent knowledge about web3 would laugh at this forum.
Although it is important to verify the proposers for stuff like front-end neurons, its also important to note that this is a centralized forum. At this point, the echo chamber is just getting louder.
I’m going to echo what @cryptoisgood has suggested. In fact, I will try to say it a little louder.
WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE AS A SOLUTION?
My suggestion would be to stop the gatekeeping, so that we’re more flexible.
Till NNS front-end has inbuilt features for discussing and submitting proposals, users can use both forum or twitter.
Create a standard application for front-end neurons ( not compulsory, also dont like this idea very much)
Check the requirements - Let proposers include their socials. If the proposer does not announce this in their official public socials, then the proposals can be rejected for acting in bad faith.
Here I say Twitter because DFINITY has a large influence on Twitter.
We could also make a proposal bot that aggregates governance proposals, and DFINITY could compile or retweet it twice a week (or once a week) on its Twitter.
None of those solutions help with the impending problem which is that scammers and frauds are making proposals and we need time to essentially to background check them.
But I agree all of that would be helpful in the long run.
I echo again what @cryptoisgood is saying.
These are great ideas and I was happy to see the new proposal topic from @CatPirate trying to formalize the suggestions, but they are medium to long term solutions. They don’t help now. I see no reason why we shouldn’t agree on minimum standards that can be voluntarily implemented now with the current resources.
Last time i looked, forum.dfinity.org is hosted by cloudflare…
Isnt the purpose of ICP to build a fully fleshed out infrastructure/hosting service for the entirety of the internet, outside of the grip of web2 legacy services?
If so, why are we having the conversation here, on a competing platform that we eventually plan to make obsolete?
And dont come at me with “buh buh normies use web2/we need outreach/ease of use” garbage.
What do you expect from a DFINITY (@cryptoisgood) employee and a person who has ties with DFINITY ( @wpb )
– this post was DFINITY’s response to “Educating about tokenomics changes” – written by @wpb and published in Internet Computer Review.
Important to note that WPB had also published another article that contained more information in detail about the tokenomics changes
This is obscuring information. I don’t think I’m gonna bother saying anything else anymore.
That’s funny. I didn’t know I have ties to DFINITY.