Transparent Node Providers

[alexu]

Hey Alex. I see both messages?
Just x-posting my reply to you in w4rem here for better visibility:

Subnet Management - w4rem (System Bitcoin)

IMHO, it is better to see the results of the UBO pilot audits when they are done. Some of the NPs mentioned have actually volunteered to participate. Having tangible evidence is a solid path forward; operating on the presumption of guilt will set us on the path of conspiracies and mutual accusations, which is counterproductive.

[Lorimer]

@alexu

I see both messages?

Thanks me too. The first one seems to have restored now

Thanks for your response on the other thread. Just to make sure I understand what you’re saying, you don’t think Zarety, Blue Ant, and Riviona should be regarded as an NP cluster (despite the confirmed interdependence)? So subnets should be able to hold nodes from 2 or 3 of these parties at the same time, while still meeting the ‘independent parties’ imperative?

[Lorimer]

To be clear, what I’m saying is

@Lorimer

Why wait an indeterminate amount of time to learn what’s already known (that certain NPs cannot currently be regarded as independent).

[Lorimer]

@Lorimer

Proposal 136733 Review | Lorimer - CO.DELTA △

VOTE: NO

TLDR: The proposed subnet topology contains 2 nodes from the rbn2y+g7dkt+acqus cluster (more than 1 breaks the ‘independent parties’ imperative that each subnet needs to adhere to). The nodes involved are:

• ulhxy (Allusion)
• xll74 (NODAO)

For more information about why there’s reasonable cause to consider these node providers clustered see here.

Given that DFINITY are now trying to include new node providers into subnets, I think the clustering situation deserves more discussion. I’ve rejected the above proposal based on the effects on clustered nodes within the NNS subnet.

All it would take for me to not consider these node providers clustered (for the time being), is a declaration from all 3 that there are no financial or ownership ties between them with respect to their nodes (including a statement that plainly clarifies the terms of the recent node transfer between them).