Is the large number of people in the room with us…?
You have been vocally against the DAO, in favour of Sentinels, since the start (I’m not surprised, you are a Toniq chat support worker, right?), however you saying “let’s stay leave assets with the team that backdoored Motoko Ghosts because they are more trustworthy” doesn’t exactly add up.
How is that more secure than the DAO, in which 51% of 35M voting power has to approve any changes, in contrast to “ufwij” pushing an update containing whatever they want, whenever they want.
the marketing funds have been put to good use, an enormous amount of promotional content has been made, as well as being heavily promoted at Bitcoin Nashville last year , running the discord and creating a range of physical collectables
As it is now, and has been for a while, sentinels aren’t tradable because Bioniq is broken. We deserve better and this was part of the arrangement. Look at $bob and $alice price dumping because the founder has peaced out just like Bioniq and Toniq. Motoko DAO is very active and committed to lifting up this NFT space. You have voiced your opinions on this in the discord too and have consistently shown that you don’t like change but the situation keeps getting worse with the status quo. We have a shot at turning this NFT scene around and don’t want to continue with the old ways of burying them in the sand as. Bob as told me personally that he no longer sees ICP NFTs as worth the effort and is no longer putting resources into developing a better ecosystem. His focus was on Bioniq at the time but as we know that priority has passed as well. We deserve better and Motoko DAO is 100% better
Whatever the reason, either Bob is too busy or Bob can’t walk and chew gum, there should have been an official statement and preparations regarding a transition for continued support and development.
There is no lack of interest from the community, there is a lack of interest in supporting the community.
Not aimed specifically at any one individual but as a general sentiment - if you’re not going to help GET OUT OF THE WAY
Well if you can vouch for this Jon, I will not bring it up again. I know you have had to go through your share of troubles due to lack of a decentralized infrastructure, but that was the best we could do back then apparently.
Correct! Development ended almost 2 years ago and support has since disappeared as well. Toniq essentially rugged an entire NFT scene. We shouldn’t have to fight for our investments to exist but that’s what we’ve been forced to do
Do those 10 people who always agree with you really reflect the opinion of several thousand holders of the collection? Definitely not But you somehow assumed that you represent the majority, although in fact, you are only a small group of conspirators controlling the DAO
I have been in favor of the DAO from the beginning. You can easily confirm that by looking at my posts on this forum and Motoko’s discord, if they haven’t been deleted But then, I’ve been watching your tantrums, arrogance and inability to analyze your actions for months in discord (you’re like a child, always blaming everyone around you, without looking for the reasons of failures in yourself). And since you have a huge influence on DAO, I decided that such DAO is not for me, and it has no right to influence anything in the ecosystem. + You don’t know how to create. Proven by your side project (if it’s still alive) and the period that DAO has been around.
I’ve made my point about the backdoor many times. You exaggerated its negative impact to justify your failure. It was never a threat to the collection.
I seem to recall you promised to take legal action. I guess you haven’t found the victims of the “crime”? I haven’t heard any activity in this area. I guess you got to the treasury and settled down, huh? That’s all you needed.
Your DAO is a parasitic structure, whose members talk about a bright future, which they do not build Instead of developing on the foundation you already have, you decided to take two more collections and their treasury, of course… All of this points eloquently to both your nature and the nature of the DAO.
Bioniq at least exists. Your DAO has nothing.
Bioniq will be fixed and your nothing will remain nothing
What arrangements are you talking about? Bob has indicated from the beginning that this collection is being made specifically for Bioniq. There was no DAO involved. Did you pay for the creation of this collection? Did you promote it?
The point of this collection to exist specifically on L2 bitcoin and be the flagship of the Bioniq. Your DAO is a foreign entity that has nothing to do with the present and future of the collection.
What kind of fracture are you talking about? YOU HAVEN’T CREATED ANYTHING What kind of disconnected from reality fantasy is that? I too can fantasize a bright future for Bioniq and all the collections that are associated with it. And these fantasies will have more foundation and prospects, because they are based on the resources of Bob and his team and on already existing and working products.
Your speculation that something has gone somewhere is just your speculation. Bioniq + Odin is a great bundle that will be developed. And it has more prospects than your nothing.
Maybe you don’t know the context, but this arises due to the DFINITY foundation claiming that Sentinels was intended to be a ckBTC revenue stream for the DAO to begin with. Quite frankly, other than you, I haven’t seen anyone speak on behalf of other users. Not sure why you’re trying to put words in my mouth, but you should have the “large number of people” come to the forums instead of speaking for them!
There is more DAO contributors than controllers on Toniq canisters, and we verify the code pushed before accepting - that’s a gain
It’s strange, because the only thing I can find on you in the Discord, is your justification of the backdoor, while trying to say it’s our fault, and trying to categorize people as you’ve done here. Or where you say that the Motoko Ghosts project is dead because Toniq doesn’t control it anymore, and it is now controlled by the DAO (but wait, I thought youve been in favour of the DAO?)
If your words were even partially true, the community wouldn’t have entrusted me to get us where we are now.
The backdoor was proven to be used to extract at minimum 100 Motoko, and potentially upwards of 1500 Motoko.
This is still being investigated, but I find it really interesting that you’ve doubled down on saying that Toniq did no harm with the backdoor, and it’s actually my fault that the collection devalued.
Don’t worry (or let out a sigh of relief, not sure which), this is still being pursued
These collections, Mechs specifically, were promised to the DAO, and have been withheld by Toniq. Again, it’s really strange that you are justifying their actions of withholding, and attempting to push blame onto others.
Maybe there’s more projection in your message than you realize
You obviously have a controlling interest in Toniq/Bioniq so your comments are void. You want to double down on failed promises for the last 3 years go ahead. The rest of us will take what was promised and what we paid for.
First of all, there are almost 2000 $MOTOKO holders in the DAO and just over 1000 Sentinels holders (and I promise you that many of those Sentinels holders are DAO members who want the DAO to control the collection). So don’t make up numbers that can easily be fact-checked on the blockchain.
Sure, Toniq will fix Bioniq… just like it fixed Toniq… just like it fixed Entrepot… just like it made the game for Cronics… The pattern is clear - the products are supported until they have extracted what they can from the community - then they are left to rot while chasing the money on the next project.
Meanwhile, the Motoko DAO controls several NFT collections, including the most important one in the eco. They had a successful SNS launch. The Pals collection has a functional mining dapp and is being developed by one of the earliest ICP devs (myartbar - who introduced me to ICP back in 2021). Also, there are already preview videos of the staking dapp for Motoko Ghosts.
So you are comparing a company that makes barely functional products and then leaves them to rot versus a young DAO that is actively developing on multiple fronts.
In short, The $MOTOKO DAO must control all core Motoko NFT collections for the good of the ICP ecosystem.
As far as I am aware, DFINITY launched these collections for the community. I do not see any valid reasons to support Toniq labs controlling the smart contract any further given the recent controversies, which they have failed to address. Proof is in the chain. As an investor I prefer the platform to be less insecure and more transparent when it comes to public collection/community assets.
That being said, Motoko Token was airdropped to every Motoko NFT holder, so you had an equal chance for a stake irrespective of launch mishaps. I got my drops and I claimed them. Maybe also implement NFT based voting like BTC Flower in the future? it further strengthens the collection and gives incentives to holders.
Yes, indeed. The Sentinels rightfully belong to the Motoko DAO, there’s no question about it.
They were always intended to be part of the ecosystem, aligned with the DAO’s governance
Definitely not 