Why did you not include the suggestions made by @wpb
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I think thieves dare not stand up, so I will first try to initiate a proposal with the fastest plan. If I fail, I will initiate a proposal according to @wpb 's plan
@wpb suggested proposal makes the most sense and most fair to both you and the current owner . We should hear both sides of the story if there are any .
The staked neurons should stop giving out rewards and remove the rights to vote . And then , if no one speaks out in a year , the staked neurons will be returned back to you.
I feel for you ā¦ but to be fairā¦ I voted no
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Thank you. If I fail this time, I will initiate the next proposal according to @wpb suggestion. I hope you can vote for it then
I feel it! We should help him find it. We need to know how this method is implemented. Then he is a loophole and needs to be repaired. The technology should be improved rather than escapedā¦ The root of the problem can be found without exploringā¦He should get us Support because he is the one who helps us find the problemā¦this is a problem that needs to be solved
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There is not enough information in the proposal and the other side doesnāt get to tell their side of the story. What if you sold or transferred this internet identity to someone else?
Voted No.
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Exactly he needs to go use the proper legal channels and get court orders etc. if the farmed icp is being sold some place he should track it and have the police deal with it. For all we know the guy got drunk one night and gambled it all away and now canāt remember and thinks it was stolen.
Go get a lawyer and do what is proper! Donāt ask us to do the job of police and court system thatās not what this NNS is aboutā¦
Honestly your boss should fire you and sue you for your negligence. And frankly if those keys belong to your boss how do we know you arenāt stealing from him? If anything those coins donāt belong to you as an employee.
Really go be professional and do things properly and donāt waste our time. Show some respect for the rule of law and peopleās time!
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Yes sure tell him to file a police report and get court orders and show the evidence in a court of law where he will be liable if he is lying. In this case he has even stated the keys belonged to an employer. Itās not the responsibility of the NNS to adjudicate this matter we are not a government court thatās where these things get handled not by some random mob of people who have 0 clue (myself included) with evidence that can be photoshopped.
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I am willing to believe what @xiaobing said, the stolen account may really belong to Xiaobing. I am a lawyer, I have considered more things, and these things cannot be solved by Dfinity or the voting mechanism. First, how do we judge whether the evidence provided by Xiaobing is real and not fake? Second, how do we rule out other situations that may exist (for example, @xiaobing may have sold the account)? Third, if the thief has sold the account to a third party, Does ICP need to protect third parties?These problems are too difficult to solve. Although I have some solutions in my mind, they are not perfect.
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You can comment, but donāt get personal
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Your words hurt me, people who know this matter know how much effort I have made for this matter, after the account was created, the account has been operated by my boss, I moved out of the company. @zire investigation report clearly states that the thief changed the mnemonic by using Tig-backup Yubikey on July 26. And I canāt get in touch with Yubikey, because I moved out after creating the account, and yubikey has been in the hands of my boss. If you donāt believe me, donāt you believe Dfinityās research report? We not only had a video conference, but also went to Shanghai in person. Your words are full of prejudice and I donāt like you very much.
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You are wasting my time. How about you stealing my time on this because of your lack of respect for the rule of law and my time?
Do you even have a stolen property police report?
Go get a court order in an American court and then I will believe any of this. I could care less about what one entity or another opines if they are not an actual court of law.
Humans have developed court systems for 1000s of years now to deal with theft! Show some respect for that process and use it.
Frankly I think the proposal fee needs to be increased a bit so people take things more seriously and show respect for the time of the many people who can vote.
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Something similar happened to Polkadot https://polkadot.polkassembly.io/referendum/18. And the proposal was not passed.
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I think itās getting time to talk about voting threshold.
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In what way?
Iām genuinely curious because they just recently implemented a simple majority threshold a few weeks ago.
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I donāt think 3% should be enough to make decisions about neuron or canister control.
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I just saw your other post in a different thread and I fully agree it should be at least an absolute majority if not 2/3.
Edit: Just checked and I was wrong about how the 3% works. Even more reason to agree with you 
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This whole case revolves about the difference between possession and rightful ownership. Simply put itās a motion to dispossess someone. This should take more than a few wealthy friends and some luck to slip a motion through somehow. That shouldnāt even be possible, in my view.
Iām obviously generally speaking, has nothing to do with if I sympathize with OP or not.
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3% to make a ledger change is nuts. My money would be safer hidden under my mattressā¦ it shouldnāt be possible at all except maybe maybe in very exceptional circumstances requiring practically unanimous agreement (or at least 80%+) of all coins not just 3% that vote where there is literally court orders from every civilized country (never gonna happen).
Iām thinking of a scenario like the holocaust where the nazi steal money and it needs to be taken and given back to victims and nearly every country in the UN signs on.
No wonder our price keeps going down the shitter with stupidity like this it will be sub $10 in a few months
A couple of things seem off to me at this point,
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At the beginning it seemed like you were a solo person who had an internet identity and all of a sudden couldnāt login one day, now we know you were working for a company that manages crypto funds and used this identity on 4 computers with multiple people having access to it. If there was only two other people working there who could have possibly stolen it, i think this is something you should take up with your local police. We also know now that you were working with a boss and it is still not clear whos icp it is?
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We know now thanks to dfinity that it is not a bug or a hack in the internet identity code. Which means that if it was stolen it is your negligence alone that caused it to be stolen.
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Your evidence (if it not photoshopped) shows that you were there when the neuron was being made. It doesnāt prove your ownership now. Since we now know that you were working as part of a company that manages crypto portfolio, it seems like a possibility to me that your company was managing someone elseās funds and maybe you got into a disagreement with them and now you want to use the nns to take the funds away from them.
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The fact that as soon as I asked my question
You rushed to make the proposal.
I want to put the neuron into the hands of the rightful owner, but with the these facts, I donāt know who the rightful owner is. Since I donāt know, I rather the worst possibility that you lose your icp due to your own negligence, than the worst possibility that we take away someone elseās rightful icp.
I vote no.
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