You are the king of strawman arguments dude.
Nobody said that.
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Is this not exactly what he said?
I think hes talking about changing possible parameters of future snses not changing parameters of current ones.
That is not what I got from it.
The nns already has a track record of inserting themselves into the governance of the sns projects with the addition of treasury restrictions to all future and past sns projects after boom dao took their treasury in one go.
So I understood it as a evidence suggests the nns will affect all sns and not just future ones. (Especially since they all use the same framework.)
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Ok well
I wont speak for @infu
But i dont think the nns should control sns.
And I also dont think sns should be used as a loophole to buy cheap and allow the possibility of a 51% attacker to steal votes in the nns. (WTN)
No one is stealing votes. That is a strawman yourself.
People should have taken the time to learn how governance works as well as apy works on icp and then read the white paper to the project. Everyone had an equal chance to enter and join the table during the two sns sales that took place.
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Touche you make a fair point let me fix it. I cant prove anyone is stealing votes (via 51%) and you cant prove they arnt. The question is:
If someone has 51% are they stealing votes?
And the answer is yes.
Another point you are missing is that ~90% of all the wtn outside of the treasury is max locked up.
The neurons are non transferable. So anyone going after a 51% attack will need massive capital to buy out peoples II as well as the ~.3% of supply on the dexs.
One point we often use to defend ICP and its resilience against the 51% attack is the capital expense to gain control. The same applies here.
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This would be true except id.geek exists.
In the short term you are correct. And right now the majority of WTN probably is voting in what they believe to be best interest of the network. But this is short term thinking.
What happens years from now if ICP takes off? WTN will be a honeypot of all the short term holder voting power for a discount and i do not trust that future buyers will be benevolent.
You’re also not taking into account that the capital to buy this amount of wtn to take control will only increase if icp and ecosystem tokens grow.
People will have to fully liquidate all their neurons just to exit wtn. So the capital expense grows with the value of the network.
(This is also a graph of tokens held in the community) You can clearly see no single individual is even close to a 51% majority.
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U only need the dev team + 1 wealthy friend to get 51% of your chart.
Wenzel, Enzo, Leo and David have 51%
Please show me your proof of this.
You make lots of claims but rarely ever show actual evidence.
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No one needs to prove anything.
The fact that it is possible means that the protocol should be changed to prevent vote stealing.
You think 1 wealthy friend can get 20% of wtn vp?
Adam himself has 5.71%vp and there was more whales than just him who participated in these sales.
I know gold dao owns a major stake since they were the biggest investor in the first sns sale.
If he is making a claim of something he should provide evidence. Otherwise he is just talking speculation and acting confident.
Yah and i shouldnt lock my doors at night because i cant prove that anyone wants to enter my house and steal.
This is the same argument you are making.
No it is not.
You are deflecting for adam as he makes outrages claims of things he believes are certain.
Your statement of " devs + 1 friend" does not need evidence because you’re suggesting a possibility and not a fact. Whereas adam is speaking as if the 51% has already happened.
It has, it was by design. That is why they will NEVER give the VP to the 49%
IF it has happened then you should have no problem showing us the evidence of this. Other than that you are just speculating because you don’t have a way to control them.
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