YRAL Q1 2025 Updates

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No, they are the same app. Hot or Not was rebranded to Yral owing to Bumble Inc. owning the trademark in the US

That was a part of the broader vision of the DOLR ai platform, however, our entire community including our largest investors, i.e., you and Adam gave us STRONG feedback that this is currently not the right stage to pursue that avenue and we’ve listened and are strongly focused on Yral, or as you like to quote me on, “laser” focused

Anything specific apart from all of the open source code and the SNS owned and WASM hash verified half a million canisters that we have currently living on the IC.

This is an UNFAIR take considering if we look at the Github developer activity for a comparable team in terms of size building on the IC. This is what the Dragginz Github org looks like:

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This is what the Yral/Dolr ai Github org activity looks like:

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P.S. Check out the most used topics on the right

Trying to imply that we don’t do HIGH QUALITY ENGINEERING is just FALSE.

Where we have failed is underestimating how HARD it is to find product market fit. But that is ALL that we are currently focused on and we are CLOSE.

You don’t have to believe us on this NOW but we’ll let our RESULTS speak for themselves.

We frequently share our analytics numbers from our marketing dashboard (Google Analytics) but the swamp defenders (looking at you Ysyms) just say they are fake. So, the only way left to do this is to provide public on chain analytics.

From our investigation, the only way we’ve found till now and considering doing this is via a public User Geek deployment, but like everything else, we need to consider scale. 15 subnets with half a million canisters sending inter subnet inter canister update calls to a single canister will probably choke that canister and make it unusable. But that is all we have right now.

Feel free to give us feedback if you would consider this a fair display of open metrics. We will ensure that we treat this as a priority to do within weeks.

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Can’t help it. It’s in there now

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So why did you claim hot or not and yral were distinct apps on your first screengrab.

For those that may not be aware. Hot or not was sold to the ic cimmunity as tiktok on ic.

With 2 main flaws.

  1. It has none of the things that make tictok successful. (Solid codebase and user aquisition)
  2. It is not on the ic

Or do.you not want to make.it clear you have sold the IC community the same dream. “We can make.tictok on ic, but we will only code bare minimum and it wont run on ic anyway”

Its like saying "my first monry bank " and “my first second money bank”. Either correct your first post or explain why you wish to convince people that one application you duplicated and renamed is worthy to be treated as two seperate independent apps.

Also these apps have had zero adoption tjrough any ic social channels. You are not part of t

The more professional and clear approach would be to only include yral and let hotornot be buried in the internet graveyard.

As to your metrics… more on that later.

As for community. You do not care about the ecosystem. Its just dip in and out when you need to earn your stipend. For a social media legend, you would expect people in the ecosystem to use it. Im not talking paid traffic, but actual usage.

This is anecdotal, but nobody I have interacted within ic so far has said “here is my yral handle”.

This is within a community of people hoping a genuine mass adoption usecase comes along
Believe me, we want some killer mass communication app comes long and gets mass adoption. That will open so many.conversations about what ic can do.

You however, just crawled out from.your rock as now you realise you may have to do somethint for the free money you took.for granted.

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Last year in March 2024, I remember, in one of the interviews, your founder talks about the strategy about how to onboard thousands to million of Indian users by collaborating with Indian Content Creators who have millions of followers, as millions of Indians follow these creators; therefore, as soon as they uploaded a video on Hot or Not, then 50k-100k of Indians alone quickly signup.
Interview Video Reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10WY3pgCBWQ&t=2630s

So, until now, you’re still making grassroots progress?

I know that there are thousands of canisters under Hot or Not, but I am talking about users, not canisters.

My suggestion is - instead of uselessly burning cycles to show growth, focus on the growth of the actual user base by collaborating with the top 5% of genuine YouTubers such as ( Carry Minati , BB ki Vines, and more ).

I know they charge you heavily, but you raised a lot of ICP, so you should know how to manage funds for good marketing as well. Although it is far better to consume (or say waste funds) on collaborating with genuine Indian YouTubers than wasting money on burning cycles( I know you get my point).

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In October 2023, your founder also mentioned creating an AI algorithm to show feeds based on user preferences, not a standard feed. However, the last time I opened the app, it kept showing the same feed.

Interview Video Reference: https://youtu.be/mE0w_5LqhnU?t=2353

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If I have to sum up your journey, I would say that 90% of the things you have said are still pending or may never be done( Above mentioned interviews of your founder told the whole story, but I am impressed by the confidence of @rishichadha30 - how confidentally he is marketing its product at that time). The problem you are solving before still exists anyway, but somehow, treasury funds are decreasing.

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@borovan @Thyassa (sorry for mentioning you twice if you’re the same person, at least on the forum), are you trying to help the projects (where you have already invested) or you just wanna dump the price even lower to buy more :wink::red_question_mark:

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Just curious. During the entire time they’ve been on the IC, how often did you guys offer support? Aside from investing in their SNS.

Im personally not into tictok or video content myself, and I am aware theyve pivoted a few times trying to find some sort of PMF within a very small eco, but maybe some of the teams building around here could offer each other some help :man_shrugging:

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If this is the case, then I would say that it would be good for the whole ecosystem and would benefit in the long term.
I think taking 51% of ownership will be good if done timely, otherwise, treasury will vanish, and then the whole team will be ghosted.

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Not sure, I personally have NOT seen anything useful from these guys so far, just promises :person_facepalming: Yes, they have pumped few IC project, but that’s nothing what can sustain in long-term :thinking:

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If you’re not aware, all that @borovan has been doing after taking over a SNS has been to drain the treasury of that SNS and use it to buy tokens in order to attack other SNS projects. He even made proposals on the pretense that he’s adding liquidity to KongSwap which he never did after the stolen funds reached his wallet address.

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Can you please share the link to the dashboard or the proposal? Thanks!

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Apologies good sirs.

I had to remove my previous comments, after turning off the filter on your app… :blush: good luck with that funding approval! :heart:

dont count yer chickens before they hatch! :smiley:

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Congratulations on your attempt to get this post off topic with inaccurate accusations.

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I am afraid you have made innacurate assumptions here. We do try to actively support all projects we invest in.

In this case, we did meet the team in person a few times and had active communication channels. We were incredibly supportive of hot or not and the rebrand to yral. This is why we are so disappointed in how things have turned out.

We did not see their true colours and intentions until much later.

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lol, happy to buy back your neurons

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Explain how giving the treasury back means that we “just want the treasury” genius mind.

@jokerswild I’m not the Trax guy.

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First of all, I have to give Saikat a little credit for trying to update the community here. That’s a positive thing that ALL founders need to start doing ASAP! (like YESTERDAY)

Having said that, I do agree with the complaints as well because ultimately, all SNS’s need to be interrogated, audited, inspected, etc.

The problem with the SNS system is that it was never setup correctly from the beginning. Too many assumptions are built in including that devs can be trusted inherently just like public companies on the S&P 500 that are REQUIRED to report earning and progress to investors.

The SNS needs to be overhauled. It must REQUIRE regular quarterly updates and financial reports from teams wishing to gain funding from the community and the neuron fund going forward and the community and esp. investors must have a better way of providing input and assistance to these projects. There must be clear lines of communication. This is why I suggested that a system closer to iCVC is adopted and/or another dapp is placed on the IC just to allow projects in the eco to report as well as receive feedback that is separate from this general DFINITY forum.

I would like to give all devs and SNS’s the benefit of the doubt here however it is true that you do not have forever to prove your business plan. You must start showing provable results like actual usage and an increasing userbase which was promised esp. if you are burning a lot of cycles and supposedely hiring people and are burning through treasury funds.

If anything, YRAL has helped stress the IC and has hopefully helped Dfinity improve the scheduler as well as other things but yes there comes a point where people see the dapp as a big waste of resources and time if you are not bringing us the Indian market as you promised.

I am personally very disappointed with YRAL, TRAX, Taggr, EstateDAO, and other projects on the IC that have promised so much and yet have still delivered so little value. And Dragginz still has not shipped nor updated the community with any release date whatsoever so Adam you are also not a Saint despite being the biggest whale here with the most to lose.

Someone said this earlier in the thread “WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER” and therefore I propose that all projects, Adam, and whoever at DFINITY should schedule some type of meetup whether in person or virtually on a mass zoom call or something to discuss all of these complaints and find ways TO HELP EACH OTHER succeed here instead of just slinging accusations at each other and fighting. I think it would be more productive to speak to each other like human beings.

Even DFINITY needs help in the marketing department. The WHOLE IC needs help here but we must find a way to work together. We must!

Again, thank you Saikat for posting the update. It is a start. I hope that all SNS’s start doing this now. And it also isn’t helpful to have Jerry B. doing FUD videos about GoldDAO or whoever so he should also be in on this meeting.

I really wish DOM would step in here and make a statement about what is going on here lately as well. I don’t believe Adam has bad intentions since he has probably the most to lose out of anyone but I do believe Adam that you being the biggest investor need to have actual meetings here with everyone instead of just being bitter and angry and assuming the worst of everyone. We need to make some peace here people and fast. Please.

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Adam if you can fit in all the posting that you do regularly on this forum, you can surely make some time to do conference calls with all of the major SNS projects you are invested in or are angry about here. I believe it would be more productive and more helpful. Just writing them off completely doesn’t seem healthy or helpful. It can’t hurt to at least talk to these people. If you end up at the same conclusions so be it but you’ll have more information to make better decisions that are not detrimental to the community.

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Once they were defined as … mean it’s hopeless especially in the blockchain world.

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