Upcoming BOOM DAO SNS decentralization sale

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Hi Sormarler!

Thanks for the kind support :slight_smile: After building games on ICP for the last 2 years, I firmly believe BOOM DAO is one of the only ways the ICP gaming vertical will flourish. Also I wanted to clarify that neither I, nor any single individual is behind this project. It’s a collective of builders who are collaborating on a massive endeavour to build the gaming vertical for ICP. I’m a core contributor like other individuals, but BOOM DAO is its own entity not affiliated with a single person/project. It must be its own distinct entity so it can properly align all the gaming projects on ICP behind one shared goal. We need to better communicate this structure of BOOM DAO. The brand is new but the builders composing it have been building for years in the ICP ecosystem, and the gaming infrastructure is the result of years of R&D. BOOM DAO already has a wide range of gaming tools being used across the ICP gaming ecosystem. The goal is that even a 14 year old can build a fully on-chain game on ICP in a matter of days! We appreciate your kind support.

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Thank you for expressing your concerns and sharing your perspective in a respectful manner. I’d like to address the misconception regarding the voting power of the founding team and founding partners. It’s important to clarify that these neurons are not owned by a single entity, just as the neurons from the SNS sale won’t be owned by a single entity. Our partners, like any other community member, have the freedom to vote according to their own judgment and preferences. They are valuable contributors to the DAO, and their active involvement should be seen as a positive aspect for the entire community.

Associating the partners’ voting power with malicious intent and framing it as a detriment to BOOM DAO misses the core essence of our collective efforts. We are a united group of builders who are actively working to create value for BOOM DAO, all its stakeholders, and, consequently, the entire ICP gaming ecosystem. It’s essential to note that at genesis, the founding team will only hold 15% of the voting power, as clearly explained in the whitepaper. BOOM DAO’s SNS is designed to be community-centric, with 40% of tokens allocated to SNS participants (biggest allocation to date) and 85% of the voting power owned by the community (SNS participants + Partners). I invite you to refer to the “community-centric voting power” section in the whitepaper for more details on this matter.

Thank you for engaging in this discussion, and we value your input as we work together to build a thriving gaming ecosystem on the Internet Computer.

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Thank you for expressing your concerns and demonstrating your genuine interest in the success of the SNS and the ICP ecosystem.

However, it appears that you may not have thoroughly researched or read the whitepaper. A simple investigation into BOOM DAO’s GitHub and technical documentation would reveal the various gaming tools and products we have been diligently building to streamline the gaming development process on the ICP blockchain. Additionally, a quick review of the whitepaper sections would have provided insight into BOOM DAO’s growth strategy and path to sustainability.

We appreciate your feedback regarding the inclusion of a video presentation and deck. It’s an interesting suggestion, and we thank you for sharing it with us. As a matter of fact, BOOM DAO will be presented by @atomikm during the upcoming DFINITY Global R&D event on Wednesday, July 26th. If you happen to be a gaming developer, we would be more than happy to schedule a call with you, offering guidance and technical support to assist you in building your game.

Once again, thank you for your engagement, and we are open to further discussions to address any inquiries or concerns you may have.

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Thank you for sharing your thoughts on BOOM DAO. One of your messages has already been flagged by the community, so let’s strive to maintain a civil and positive environment to foster the growth of the ICP ecosystem. There have been no escalations, as all gaming builders who have used BOOM DAO are satisfied with it and recognize its potential for the ICP ecosystem. Our primary focus is on game developers and gaming projects, as they play a vital role in driving the ICP gaming ecosystem forward. We would be more than happy to answer any questions you may have and schedule a call to discuss matters further if you are interested.

Now, addressing some specific points you raised:

  1. Regarding the marketing support process, it is open to any project in the ecosystem to be mentioned by DFINITY’s Twitter account. Our goal was simply to spread awareness about BOOM DAO within the ICP community. Every project can go through this process, and we have not received any special treatment in this regard.

  2. We are curious to know if you are a game developer or if you have experience building complex projects in the ICP ecosystem. Understanding your background in this field will help us engage in more meaningful discussions. As for the Unity Template, it would be beneficial to know if you have used it to develop a game. By experience, anyone saying building anything related to gaming is simple/easy (like you said for the Unity Template) have no experience at all in this field, they are just talking about something they don’t know.

  3. This doesn’t really make any sense, not sure what you’re trying to say. It mainly sounds like an adhominem attack.

  4. This seems off topic as well.

  5. This again is in no way constructive.

  6. This is the way it should be, just vote based on what you think is best for ICP ecosystem.

Remaining civil and adopting a collaborative mindset are essential values for us. We genuinely wish to engage with you further and extend our invitation to schedule a call if you are a game developer or involved in any gaming project. Our mission is to support and contribute to your success.

Thank you, and we look forward to any opportunity for productive dialogue.

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Hello @icarus

We want to express our sincere appreciation for understanding the importance of maintaining a civil and positive environment that encourages high-quality interactions and positive outcomes. It’s truly refreshing to encounter someone who takes the time to form opinions thoughtfully, especially in a world where forming quick judgments has become the norm.

Indeed, we have noticed that BOOM DAO has evoked strong emotions from various individuals. However, it’s crucial to emphasize that our core focus is on gaming developers and projects. Their feedback on BOOM DAO and its mission has been overwhelmingly positive thus far. As experienced gaming developers, they appreciate the complexities involved in the gaming industry and fully understand the value of our efforts. Those with no gaming experience would be the ones to claim that constructing gaming infrastructure for the most powerful blockchain in the world is a straightforward task.

We wholeheartedly agree that there is ample room for open and constructive discussions. It’s intriguing to observe that individuals who tend to polarize the community into pro-DFINITY/anti-DFINITY factions are often those who struggle to accept differing opinions or the growth of other projects within the ecosystem. To form a well-informed opinion, we encourage you to connect with game developers who have utilized BOOM DAO’s tools and actively contributed to BOOM DAO’s vision of building a thriving ICP gaming ecosystem. These individuals are diligently working behind the scenes 24/7, driven by the long-term interests of the ICP community, rather than seeking attention through baseless noise.

We would be more than happy to arrange a call with you, not to convince you of anything, but simply to answer any questions you may have. We value open and transparent communication and believe that constructive dialogue ultimately leads to better understanding and progress.

Thank you once again for your thoughtful approach, and we look forward to any opportunity to engage further with you.

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I apologize! I thought that wpb and ICP maximalist were the same person. Thank you for the clarification-

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This is an interesting one. I agree that the community should establish certain barriers to prevent scams or un-serious projects from getting through, but an ecosystem struggling to grow and desperately in need of value-generating services and infrastructure can’t really afford to be TOO strict.

There are systems in the SNS that can be used to programmatically prevent the devs from rug pulling the community and running off with the money (e.g. vesting periods). If there’s a sufficient vesting period (say, a few years) then there won’t be any liquidity left for the devs to run off with if they don’t make any progress in that time.

If the developers are willing to accept longer vesting periods and other anti-rug pull measures, tailored to how transparent and trustworthy they are, then I don’t see a problem with accepting them as an SNS.

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Let’s be clear here the objections to boom dao have nothing to do with dfinity.

Most objections I see are specifically pointed at the founders.

My objection centers around the centralization of power for an entire vertical.

You are giving almost majority voting power to partner and founders.

If we are pretending like ICP is going to be the number one blockchain and it’s going to replace the internet and we usually are. Then decisions we make this early into the ecosystem are crucial. Allocating this much ICP this early and handing it to 14 people for them to control the direction of one of the biggest verticals is insane.

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I don’t think adopting this proposal or launching this SNS will allow the group to control the direction of the gaming vertical. There are other teams outside of this group that are also building games. Also, if any big players from that industry do decide to join the ecosystem I don’t expect them to bend the knee.

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In this case, it is necessary to make a reward system for developers of game modules. But it is also necessary to take care of the economic benefits for those who encourage developers.

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Fair, I guess it just doesn’t make sense to me as an SNS.

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Yep, I agree, but it is what it is.

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Thank you for participating in this forum thread with a more appropriate tone in your recent messages. Maintaining civility in this forum and the ICP community at large is crucial for the success of our ecosystem. We all bear the responsibility to cultivate a positive and respectful environment where individuals can express their opinions and engage in learning and growth.

I noticed some misconceptions in your previous posts regarding BOOM DAO, and I would be glad to help clarify your questions now that you are engaging in a more constructive manner. Saying that BOOM DAO has not shipped any products shows a lack of basic research. A brief review of our whitepaper’s table of contents would direct you to our comprehensive technical architecture and wide array of gaming tools. Our website further showcases various open-source tools, the link to our GitHub, and the technical documentation on Gitbook. These tools have been diligently developed over months and are already actively used within the ICP gaming ecosystem. Should you be a game developer, we welcome the opportunity to schedule a call to delve deeper into this matter.

In another message you said BOOM DAO was specifically created to grab people’s money. This could easily sound like an adhominem attack, however we believe this comes again mainly from a lack of research. We fully agree with you that we need to better communicate the structure of BOOM DAO. The brand is new but most builders composing it have been building singe genesis in the ICP ecosystem, and the gaming infrastructure is the result of years of R&D. BOOM DAO already has a wide range of gaming tools being used across the ICP gaming ecosystem as explained above.

A very interesting question you asked was how BOOM DAO will become profitable. A simple look at our whitepaper would have provided you information on our gorwth strategy and path to sustainability.

Let’s now address one of your major concerns regarding voting power, which has already been addressed multiple times in this thread. We genuinely understand your concerns, but it is essential to recognize that partners have your best interests at heart and are fully part of the community. If you were to develop a game tomorrow, they would be there to provide support and contribute to your success. This aspect holds significant importance for us to comprehend. We are all collectively building with the best interests of the ICP ecosystem in mind, particularly concerning the ICP gaming vertical. It is essential to clarify some significant misconceptions, not just for BOOM DAO but for the entire ICP ecosystem, especially when it comes to suspicions. Builders should not be viewed as adversaries to the community; on the contrary, they play a crucial role within the blockchain ecosystem and are fully integrated into the community. Their continuous efforts in building 24/7 significantly impact the success of the ecosystem’s growth. Having a strong group of builders for BOOM DAO, possessing extensive expertise in both ICP and gaming, and sharing a unified mission, is genuinely exciting and should be celebrated. It enhances the prospects of building a thriving gaming ecosystem on ICP with greater certainty.

Partners/contributors are fully integrated into the community, and that’s precisely why we refer to a community-centric voting power in BOOM DAO’s whitepaper. In reality, the community will hold 85% of the voting power. Partners/contributors have the freedom to vote according to their own beliefs, just like SNS sale participants. They do not represent any single entity and are entitled to express their opinions while acting in the best interests of the ICP gaming ecosystem. We fail to see any valid and articulated reasoning that would suggest their actions are against the community’s interests. Especially when the token allocation for SNS sale participants is the biggest seen so far with 40%. It is crucial to understand that builders are integral members of the community, with the only distinguishing factor being their active contributions and continuous efforts to build the gaming vertical on ICP. This dedication is widely recognized, and all other community members should appreciate their valuable contributions.

Moreover, there is a misconception about BOOM DAO possibly seeking to control the gaming vertical on ICP. This notion couldn’t be further from the truth and overlooks the dynamics of business and innovation. BOOM DAO has explicitly shared its three-fold mission, which revolves around showcasing the unique capabilities of the Internet Computer for gaming, establishing the foundational infrastructure for on-chain gaming on ICP, and fostering collaboration within the ICP gaming community. These objectives reflect our dedication to nurturing the growth and success of the ICP gaming ecosystem. Simply put, if you are building a game on ICP, BOOM DAO’s mission is to make your game a resounding success.

We are actively building since genesis and pushing the ICP gaming vertical forward. It’s time now to take gaming on ICP much more seriously to make it the blockchain for gaming. We reiterate our invite to schedule a call with us if you want to.

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Thank you for sharing your perspective and engaging in this discussion in a civilized manner. We sincerely appreciate hearing your thoughts on the matter. Your reasoning makes perfect sense, and we wholeheartedly agree that it is crucial for all members of the ICP community to be mindful of the ecosystem’s best interests in any SNS projects they undertake. Upholding high-quality standards throughout the entire ICP ecosystem is of paramount importance.

However, it is essential to strike a balance and avoid extreme viewpoints that may lead to baseless assumptions about the intentions of diligent builders who tirelessly contribute to driving the ecosystem forward. It is important to note that the core contributors of BOOM DAO consist of well-established community members, many of whom have been actively building since the genesis of ICP. Their contributions have brought immense value to game developers and various gaming projects within the ICP ecosystem, underscoring their genuine commitment to creating a vibrant gaming landscape on ICP.

Any narrative that portrays such dedicated individuals as bad actors should be carefully scrutinized based on factual evidence. While maintaining high standards and ensuring community safety are crucial, it is equally important for us to acknowledge and respect the hard work of builders who have a proven track record of success, evidenced by a wide range of products being actively utilized across the gaming vertical.

Let us continue to collectively uphold the highest standards within the ICP community while acknowledging and celebrating the achievements of dedicated builders who play a pivotal role in propelling the ecosystem towards success. Together, we can foster a thriving and respectful community that remains focused on the betterment of the ICP ecosystem as a whole.

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Thank you for highlighting the significance of fostering constructive discussions and showing respect when engaging with others.

You raise a valid point, it appears that some of the most vocal individuals have not conducted thorough research into the developments achieved by BOOM DAO thus far, as well as its substantial contributions in assisting numerous game developers on the ICP platform.

We are pleased to observe your comprehension of the immense potential held by the World Engine protocol in uniting a vast amount of games and generating innovative gaming applications, made possible exclusively through ICP blockchain technology. The game launcher serves as a product primarily designed for game developers, streamlining their development experience and empowering them to commence game creation on the ICP platform within a matter of days, rather than months.

BOOM DAO is the DAO for all ICP games, and our unwavering vision revolves around creating the most vibrant gaming ecosystem ever established. This vision will continue to serve as our guiding principle as we endeavor to shape the future of gaming on ICP. Our commitment to this endeavor remains steadfast, and we will persist until it becomes a reality.

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Thank you Ricardo for sharing your thorough perspective as a game developer utilizing the tools developed by BOOM DAO. We completely resonate with your thoughts on the importance of making game development on the Internet Computer much more accessible. Our core contributors share the same belief that it should not be overly complicated for developers to tap into the unique capabilities offered by the Internet Computer. Our mission at BOOM DAO is precisely geared towards onboarding a significant influx of game developers to ICP by streamlining the gaming development experience and making it remarkably user-friendly. We often use the metaphor that even a kid should be able to create fully on-chain games on ICP without any prior blockchain knowledge.

Your valuable insights into the pain points faced by game developers on ICP due to the lack of gaming infrastructure are immensely appreciated. Only a game developer who has experienced these challenges firsthand can truly understand their significance. Sharing your experiences provides priceless feedback for all newcomers venturing into game development on ICP. We wholeheartedly agree that game developers should not have to worry about solving these pain points when utilizing BOOM DAO’s gaming tools. Instead, they can focus their energies on building exceptional gaming experiences.

Moving forward, BOOM DAO will remain steadfast in our commitment to building foundational web3 gaming infrastructure on ICP, propelling the next generation of fully on-chain games. Our primary goal is to ensure a seamless developer experience and make game development on ICP as effortless as possible. Once again, thank you for your comprehensive review of how you have benefited from the various tools developed by BOOM DAO.

There are even more exciting tools awaiting your exploration, and we eagerly anticipate hearing more of your feedback and supporting your journey to building successful games!

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We would be interested in scheduling another call with you guys to exactly know your current needs and pain points. You mention that it is necessary to make a reward system for developers of game modules. We would love to hear more about your thoughts on this topic. Happy to schedule a call with whenever you want to help you Eimolad team.

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Noticing a lot of deleted comments, just a reminder, we have an alternative forum for people to speak freely.

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Let me start with stating the reason people get emotional is because of this condescending tone. I just want to point that out.

That said,

What I mean by no product has been shipped is there is no dapp connected to the SNS therefore you are not selling anything to the token holders. This to me seems to mean that you are asking for funding for a non profit.

So there is profit to be made, how does world engine protocol implement the boom token?

My last question,

What is your goal in this forum? Is it to sway votes? All I’ve seen is team members and project owners act like the community is not allowed to be critical of a project that is being funded of our own dime.

We are all icp investors every project that takes from neuron fund is an investment by every icp investor. You all need to be more patient and more open to criticism even if that criticism is incorrect because you are asking us for money.

Maybe instead of releasing a white paper on notion there should have been an outline here in the forum post

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Edited: @alejandrade not sure if it replied to your message. :slight_smile:

We sincerely appreciate the opportunity to answer all your questions and value your valuable feedback. Our responses are crafted with care and are in no way intended to convey condescension. Our primary aim is to cultivate a constructive environment where individuals can engage in fruitful discussions.

Ascertaining the full impact of the World Engine protocol at this juncture is premature, as it is currently in the adoption phase, aiming to establish network effects among numerous ICP games. More and more ICP games are already working on integrating it. This phase is anticipated to yield unforeseen gaming use cases. Subsequently, a second phase will focus on monetization, with a projected timeframe of approximately two years to generate revenues for the DAO via the World Engine.

Thank you for offering clarification. Indeed, it appears that the communication regarding this matter might not have been sufficiently explicit. It is essential to note that both the Game Launcher and the World Engine canisters will be subject to the governance and control of the SNS.

We have diligently adhered to the established procedure for initiating an SNS, which involves creating a post on this forum and actively participating in community interactions. We wholeheartedly encourage open discourse and value diverse perspectives, regardless of individual opinions or voting preferences. Our overarching aim is to foster an atmosphere of mutual respect throughout the entire forum, ensuring it remains a constructive environment where everyone can engage, learn, and progress in a courteous manner. Embracing this mindset serves the best interests of all individuals involved and contributes to the long-term prosperity of the entire ICP ecosystem.

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