Thoughts on Draining the Swamp. Dragginz, Bob, and Alice

Recently the Dragginz team has been on a campaign to “Drain the Swamp” in the ICP ecosystem. I’m all for cleaning things up around here, but I can’t help but notice some red flags. As a good rule of thumb, whenever fingers start being pointed at others, it’s always worth taking a deeper look at the person pointing the finger.

1.) Dragginz is still a game in the development process and has not released an actual product yet, and price performance has struggled for the last 12 months. Before I go any further, this alone should be enough of a reason to be concerned about the real stability of the Dragginz project given their attention is not 100% on their project. The YRAL team hasfollowed a similar pattern. Raise money from the community. Never really deliver on the product. Start criticizing anyone and everyone except themselves. This pattern has played out with other projects as well.

2.) A couple months ago, there was a post in the forums about the Dragginz team also beingbehind Bob and Alice. From my understanding the team denied this, but I’ve had four community members close to the centre of this situation also suggest the Dragginz team is behind Bob and Alice. I expect the team to continue denying this, even if they are running all 3 projects.

3.) The timing on the Dragginz “Drain the Swamp” initiative happens to coincide with Bob and Alice becoming inactive on social media. This realisation led many people in the Bob &Alice community to wonder what was happening with the project. But this could just be coincidence.

4.) If the Dragginz team is behind Bob and Alice as well, that would be relevant to their “Drain the Swamp” campaign. Given that one team essentially runs 3 projects. Between Dragginz, Bob, and Alice, those projects have taken in a lot of ICP from the community. Dragginz does not have much to show for it, and there are a lot of questions about the sustainability of Alice and Bob’s business model.

5.) The Dragginz account has recently started targeting Bob Bodily and Odin.Fun.Apparently because of an issue with the Motoko Ghost project, that up until this week, theDragginz team has never shown much interest in.

If the Dragginz team is running the BOB project on ICP, it would make sense why they were unhappy that Bob Bodily and Odin.Fun were getting so much bloody attention. By getting behind the Motoko project now, this could give the Dragginz Team a more legitimate way to target some of their main competition, Bob Bodily and Odin.Fun. Using pre-existing frustrations from within the community about Entrepot, Bioniq, and Stoic as fuel for the broader campaign. Given there are valid criticisms of Entrepot and Bioniq.

I am posting this because I am more confident than not, that Dragginz is running all three projects. Out of respect for the four community members, I will leave their name out of the conversation. It’s possible the Dragginz team is not behind Bob and Alice, but I have seen and heard enough to feel the need to put this information out, and let people analyseeverything for themselves.

Watching a team turn their focus to pointing the finger at others, while simultaneously having three incomplete projects that have all raised a lot of money from the community, is something people should take note of.

I realise why the Dragginz team would want to keep this concealed from the broader community. If the community knows the same team is behind all 3 projects, they can assess for themselves whether the team is making good use of their time and resources, given all 3 projects are incomplete.

I am not posting this to create FUD. Feel free to write off this entire post as rubbish. I just think the broader community should know who is running some of the main projects in the ecosystem. I fully expect the Dragginz team to continue denying they have anything to do with Bob and Alice. But people can read through this post, do their own due diligence, and make up their mind for themselves.

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Notice your post is still here because drain the swamp cares about free speech. Cant say the same for dissenting opinions.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence which has been produced by members of the community and resulted in outright confessions by offending parties.

Feel free to present your evidence to the court of public opinion.

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You first talked here, can you please just provide evidence about your talking regarding they own the three projects? “Facts speak louder than words.” rather than “I have seen and heard enough to feel the need to put this information out, and let people analyseeverything for themselves.”

It seems like that “I confirm that you are from Bob Bolidy but everyone here see this need to investigate by yourself”

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Bob Bodily want to steal motoko to be his own. see motoko.world. see the detailed evidence here:Motoko Mechs and Sentinels - Google Docs . Nothing to do with odin fun, everybody in the ecosystem hope odin fun could succeed.

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They didn’t run Bob and Alice. As far as I know. Dragginz team has invested in almost every project of ICP. But that doesn’t mean they are the same team. Or do you have any evidence of that?

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0 BOB, and I have some Alice neurons but i’m just dumping that centralised crap as soon as I can.

Nice try though… lets muddy the waters with more conspiracies. If they can believe borovan they Can BeLIeVe AnYThinG!1!1

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Post Summary:

Dragginz bad for pointing out Motoko NFT Backdoor and Ecosystem grift by Swamp

Please do not talk about Node Providers Collusion and NFT Marketplace stealing NFTs.

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I will reply to your first point for now.

  1. Dragginz is a game in development and they never claim it to be released. They released beta features for users, to test and I tested it on my computer as well.
  2. Motoko NFT Backdoor and Node Provider Collusion has nothing to do with Dragginz, it impacts every project in the ecosystem.
  3. Price of Every token SNS or Memecoins are down on ICP. DeFi Volume on ICP is also down. Happy to discuss and compare price action of projects and what they do. You can stop scapegoating a Project for pointing out obvious scams in the ecosystem.

Please do not waste other people’s time without evidence. There is evidence of backdoor and the swamp both on Forums and X.

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Dragginz is a gaming project. Odin.Fun is, well we all know what odin.fun is… Every game developer knows games are near impossible to build. How hard is it to build a token factory? If I am not mistaken Dragginz team were one of the few that pioneered the early ages of browser gaming. Said this once, will say this again… Gaming/entertainment will be the catalyst that brings mass adoption to crypto. Token factory for MEME coin gambling is basically smaller risk to reward ratio, so its easy to see where some bitterness might flourish, if there is any.

RWA => snake oil.
Token factory => beanie babies.
Crypto gaming => real product market fit.

People already collect NFTs and crypto. It’s called gaming assets. Games are money sinks and people do it. Gambling on beanie babies, same thing, but I guess its “gambling”. But product market fit.

But if hypothetically, Dragginz team is behind 3 projects? Who cares? What’s the problem with this?

I believe they’ve essentially been building from scratch Roblox/Thesandbox/decentraland… No easy feat, especially when they’re operating on magic internet money that they probs need to sell since nobody takes monopoly money.

And ICP late to the party with token factory, so even if they are behind it… I’d argue ICP as a community slacking when you got Dragginz team doing the impossible, building a game being sustained on monopoly money (already hard enough building with real money), then clone proof of work meta… and then clone token factory meta… So what’s the discussion about exactly?

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I do not trust account joined 13hours ago for wild claims and 0 evidence besides some assumptions backed by nothing

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Usually people who invested a lot in some projects start attacking others projects as theyr own investment is failing.
SNS sale is funding for some period of time, if during sale project has no idea how to keep it running after ICP runs out, than its not meant to last. Just dont throw money into it, if no revenue, no token upside, no future.
Most projects and memes on ICP are run by same people anyways, so be careful.

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First of all, I’m not sure I should trust someone posting from an account created only 15 hours ago that hides their identity.

Second, Dragginz isn’t just Adam—there are 11 of us, and every one of us is working hard to deliver something that has never been done before: a game on chain. You can’t deliver that in just one year. If your only interest is the token price, then you invested in the wrong project. As most know, we have no VCs or SNS sale behind us; Adam is personally supporting the entire funding, so the token price is irrelevant—we don’t have to answer to anyone.

Dragginz is a game. Bob and Alice are projects funded through SNS and have no relation to Dragginz in any form or shape. I’m not sure why we would target a meme coin.

Whatever Adam’s reasons for targeting Bob and the others, rest assured that we have no connection whatsoever with Bob, Odin, or similar projects.

You mentioned Dragginz 17 times for some reason, and it comes off as if you’re targeting Dragginz rather than making a substantive point. We’ve been in the space long before Bob and the others. I was involved with ICP since 2020 (one year before its launch), helped create the ICP Discord along with a few others, and contributed/created several open source projects. I’m not sure why you keep implying that we have something to hide.

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