The Destabiliser - Blockchain Detectives Needed!

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From a brief analysis, it appears that this unknown individual is a major seed investor in DFINITY and is connected to:

  • BOB
  • ALICE
  • WTN
  • HotOrNot / YRAL / DOLR AI
  • KINIC
  • ICPCC DAO LLC

in some capacity, either as a partner or early investor.

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So we think the ee5a account is a Coinbase or other exchange OTC desk. What we did find though is some power user with the same pattern of transactions.

We have found one transaction to WaterNeuron Second Sale for 175k ICP just before it finished. I’m sure there are more.

Does anybody else find this fishy? Check out the addresses on the blockchain, why would you try and hide your transactions in this primitive way?

@StofAxeCap @dfisher @EnzoPlayer0ne @ulan @Leadership @Kyle_Langham @4eku

Multiple transfers to the same account; single transfer returned with matching value.
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Account Sent Count Sent (ICP) Received Count Received (ICP)
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5095d3a6757a3cff2d705653ac69cd5bc3daf0e2010610bdc3c62fd62908f5ae 1 524521.673 1 524521.6729
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1a26cf5f81b44e9ce920ca1a81ada8d7e388fdc6c52882a4bea9ee71884df55b 7 513736.9872 1 513736.9871
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I included @StofAxeCap because once I posted the original thread he came into the Dragginz discord. I had never spoken to him before. He started asking me lots of questions about this address and then I had to block him.

Why is it bad to have more vc money in the ecosystem outside of you?

Vc money is not bad by itself.

Advertising liquid staking and claiming people using your dapp have voting power (when in reality they do not) because a single entity obfuscated their ownership of the project is bad.

I dont care i dont have wtn, but people who do hold have a right to know their votes dont actually matter.

I would argue that everyone who participates in WaterNeuron believes their vote matters. It’s the most decentralized token distribution and voting participation of any SNS to date. Adam and the goon squad can try to cast shade and spread misinformation all they want, but there is a reason why 94% of all WTN tokens are max locked locked even after half of all tokens that have been distributed so far were distributed fully liquid. People believe in the project and know that they need to protect the assets with locked tokens and high quality governance participation. Every aspect of the protocol was well conceived and designed to self correct when odd behaviors start to form. I welcome Adam to try to buy enough WTN tokens to overtake the SNS or sell a huge wad of nICP to try to torpedo the price. People will step up and respond properly every time.

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That is clearly some very suspicious behavior. How dare someone come to the Dragginz discord and ask about an address that you posted when searching for help to find the owner. Wow. How dare he. You’ve been crossed. Time to drain the swamp. :roll_eyes:

Yah thats the problem, they BELIEVE. But its not true. You are fleecing retail investors of their VP. If it were advertised as such that would be fine. But you are pretending and at this point ive seen enough evidence to see your comment here is deliberately misleading.

Everyone knows perfectly well your buddies have 51% of wtn so of course its impossiblr for at 51 attack, its already been done. Best play now is to spread the word.

Oh, I see you’ve found the clue :grinning_face:

I hope you also checked his X account and connected the dots between his (rather limited) reposts and the Developer Distribution from the address I mentioned above?

The dots



I assume you also managed to identify the second direct participant of the OC SNS Sale - the one who invested 100k ICP, just like you did:

And did you find the ICP neurons?

ICP neurons

vpGeek - Internet Computer Voting Power Dashboard
vpGeek - Internet Computer Voting Power Dashboard

Imo, the trading behavior of this wallet makes any kind of sustainable growth nearly impossible. They say, “ICP to the moon!” - but then immediately reverse the trend by offloading their heavy bags. All they need is an ICP price of $10–15 to pull it off. That’s how they survive.

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It’s funny but every dao Adam is attacking faces a similar thought here.

Heres the thing, adam is buying daos that have effectively 0 product/value proposition.

He has plans for what hes gonna do whether or not is valuable is in the eye of the beholder.

This project has a product but its actually selling a lie.

If the waterneuron advertisement was “here give us your voting power and in exchange you get a small return on your relatively liquid tokens” that would be fine.

But currently theyre selling the illusion of people retaining vp through liquid staking.

If they actually implement functionality for fractionalized voting (ie if there were 100 WTN neurons) that voted proportionately how how WTN voters voted that would be better. But that is not how it works and the same people filibustering with nonsense like “people believe their vote counts” is ridiculous.

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I find it very interesting that you can make these claims. I’ll admit you are one of the more credible of Adams followers, so I’d like to believe you can be objective. I’ll try to engage if you are willing.

What exactly makes you think that I am fleecing investors of their voting power? What does that even mean?

What do you think is misleading about my comments?

How do you arrive at the conclusion that my buddies have 51%?

I’m not trying to be snarky with these questions. I genuinely want to know how you have arrived at these conclusions.

@WebTreeSoftwareSolut please see this edit above. My apologies for not proofing it properly the first time. The word “not” is critical to the last paragraph and I somehow missed it.


Perhaps I misunderstood your comments above based on these statements.
Now I wonder if you were not talking about me so much as you were talking about the WaterNeuron concept.

I’ll admit that it took me weeks and many deep discussions to fully wrap my head around WaterNeuron. It’s not easy to understand, especially when coming from an NNS governance mindset where staking ICP gives you governance rights and governance rewards. One thing that is important to recognize about WaterNeuron is that it fully decouples governance rights in exchange for liquidity options. When you stake your ICP with WaterNeuron, you get nICP tokens and ZERO governance rights over the neuron where that ICP is staked. Instead, you get to trade those nICP any time you want or hold them and unstake your original ICP at a profit at a later time. I did not like this model at all at first and was really surprised when it became obvious that DFINITY would support it at the highest levels. They even fast paced some long standing restrictions in the code in order to enable canisters to control neurons. Once I saw that happen it became obvious that WaterNeuron is legit and here to stay.

I dunno could it be the mountain of evidence presented in this thread?

I already said my piece and frankly i dont care, it does not effect me at all. i have 0nICP and 0WTN. Because i value my voting power enough to put it in my own 8 year neuron.

Me too actually. I don’t own nICP except when I want to use if to create a liquidity position on a DEX. I prefer to stake my ICP in an 8 year neuron even though I fully understand the WaterNeuron concept and recognize why it is attractive to many people. It will become even more attractive when the min dissolve delay of a neuron is reduced to 3 months instead of the current 6 months.

How about you stop talking and we just come up with a way to make WTN fair. Not a shady cabal that maintains 51% to take voting power away from honest investors.

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You talk about fair?

You invest into a bunch of sns projects, gain a majority stake in them, get retail to buy in, now go full takeover, start using sns treasuries to take over the others.

But yet you want “fair” voting. :joy::roll_eyes:

Also your wife suggested for projects whom wish to avoid a 51% attack from you, should have the dev lock their tokens. Wtn is a shinning example of what your wife thinks devs should be doing.

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I don’t think I’ve ever had a conversation with David Fischer