Mitigating NNS Power w/ Canister Data Exports

[aiv]

@Ivan

On a different note: Does anyone know how to File a class action against DFINITY for Insider trading? Looking for directions here.

This is not helpful!

Artia told me that they never sold a single ICP throughout all price drop, they have the best interest of the ecosystem at heart!

[aiv]

@anon98822045

To be honest I’m not sure either, this thread was about technology, so Code & State is possibly the last thing I’d expect to see mentioned.

Yes, we are a Venture Studio, not a protocol contributor.

We support entrepreneurs, and our only technical staff member is Seb, who spends his time creating resources to train new devs!

I don’t know how many other ways there are to say this, we have no interest in contributing to the protocol. DFINITY has already been doing an incredible job with that, ICP has launched more incredible features this year (such as the BTC integration) than any other L1 foundation! When it comes you pumping out protocol innovation, DFINITY is the GOAT!

[aiv]

@Sormarler

I don’t know about replacing but ICP needs other major contributors. Also ICP doesn’t belong to Dfinity. Anyone should be able to come in and participate in the protocols.

As ICP projects slowly grow in size and revenue, I think they will naturally begin to invest in building up their dependencies. This is how open source software survives in Web2, there are devs who get a salary to build on Open Sourced software because their company is simply protecting the foundation of it’s revenue stream.

In other words, as soon as more ICP projects start making serious money the more the decentralization of protocol contributions will inherently increase.

[aiv]

Well the whole situation was just the result of multiple black swan events all happening at once.

I think the two biggest factors were the FTX manipulation and just the overall timing. The big 20% web3 price drop which signaled the bear market happened like the day after. Between that and all the futures manipulation and false FUD, I don’t think there’s anything any foundation could have done to prevent negative price action.

I lost a lot of money myself, but I’m still here and bullish, ICP will win in the end!

[diegop]

Moderator Note:

Yet again, I find myself having to remove comments, warn users, and close a thread.

As far as I can tell:

1. The actual relevant posts to answer @Hazel 's questions were addressed here (and those looking for relevant information):

@domwoe

Hey Hazel,

Good to see you here!

Providing platform support for snapshotting and exporting is something that was discussed during the last ICP.Lab on Storage and Scalability , and is something that DFINITY wants as well.

@domwoe

The minimum required on the protocol level is the ability to take snapshots of a canister when it is stopped, and forking from an existing snapshot. Besides that, it would be great to allow downloading and uploading the snapshots.

Maybe @dsarlis or @ulan can give an update on the state of these features.

Just FYI:
There’s also the recently released dfx deps feature, which makes it easier to provide and download wasm modules related to canisters, and there are ecosystem projects like LightIC which provide alternative implementations to run canisters outside the IC.

@dsarlis

The feature to provide snapshots and the ability to export/download those snapshots is in the early stages of discussion and exploring the scope. The relevant people are working on other items at the moment but it’s in the bucket of next features to pick up more actively. I don’t have a precise estimate to give now besides that we’re most likely looking at a couple of months at least before we have some results.

2. Everything else was just distraction, off topic, ad ad hominem messages removed.