Kindly remove that Dragginz rubbish from the IC

[jonit]

There is no obligation for projects utilising various aspects of the ICP network to be decentralised.

The token was split into 800,000 thats why the price changed

Dragginz needed ICP to be mature before the game would work as intended.

The founders are heavily invested in ICP and it could be argued that the whole thing exists partly because of their heavy investment in the seed round I dont think their investment has brought much enrichment so far.

The founders do have a golden toilet in their mansion and had porpoise for tea last night so you may be right there.

[Farat]

You are defending the indefensible.

@jonit

There is no obligation for projects utilising various aspects of the ICP network to be decentralised.

It’s an SNS DAO where the founder effectively controls all the voting power.

@jonit

The token was split into 800,000, that’s why the price changed.

I’m referring to the ICP token — he crashed it.

@jonit

Dragginz needed ICP to be mature before the game would work as intended.

As did every other founder.

@jonit

The founders are heavily invested in ICP and it could be argued…

Heavily invested in destroying the Internet Computer, from what I can see.

@jonit

The founders do have a golden toilet in their mansion and had porpoise for tea last night, so you may be right there.

I would imagine you need money for your project, hence the defence.

[jonit]

Again there is no obligation for an SNS DAO to be decentralised.
How did he crash ICP? I believe all seed round investors where locked up for 42 months and some chose 8 years
There is not a fully functioning NFT market place and wallet and Dragginz game needs that as do we all who use NFT’s.
Why would they destroy their investments, what would be the motivation?
I’m fully self funded and have never received a penny from the Dragginz team.
I want them to succeed as it helps mine and other similar projects.

[Farat]

@jonit

Again there is no obligation for an SNS DAO to be decentralised.

Apparently, it’s also fine to have multiple SNS DAOs controlled by the same individual — or perhaps even the entire SNS system under one person.

@jonit

How did he crash ICP? I believe all seed round investors were locked up for 42 months and some chose 8 years.

You believe wrong.

@jonit

Why would they destroy their investments, what would be the motivation?

Not everything boils down to rational incentives. Sometimes people have… issues.

[Farat]

@Farat

• A decade of development, and still no working product: After nearly ten years, Dragginz has yet to deliver a functional game. This level of delay is unacceptable by any reasonable standard.
• Lack of transparency and decentralisation: The project remains closed-source and far from decentralised, betraying the very principles the Internet Computer (IC) was meant to uphold.
• Founder’s destructive behaviour: The founder has actively undermined other DAOs and, in the process, damaged the lives and efforts of genuine builders in the ecosystem.
• Likely culpability in the token collapse: It’s plausible that the founder and early investors contributed to the catastrophic crash of the token price — from a staggering $700 down to just $3 — eroding trust and devastating holders.
• Obscene personal enrichment: While the community suffers, the founder enjoys a lavish lifestyle in Monaco, seemingly indifferent to the ruin left behind.

We need to remove that Dragginz rubbish from the IC.

[wpb]

Hey @Farat. Please consider removing the pic from this original post in this forum thread. Otherwise, I think you are making some fair points. This discussion needs to be free of ad hominem personal attacks in order to stay relevant on the forum.

@jonit

I want them to succeed as it helps mine and other similar projects.

I agree @jonit, but there is a right way and a wrong way. One is professional and credible, the other is degen and eventually leads us all to zero.

[Farat]

I created another thread without the picture, but it was deleted almost immediately.

[wpb]

This one hasn’t been deleted yet. So please consider editing your original post to delete the image. That should unhide the original post. Then perhaps you have a chance of not getting this forum thread deleted. You can raise credible concerns without violating forum rules.

[Farat]

Fixed, but it’s unfair that he can threaten everyone else like this and get away with it.

[ysyms]

Totally agree with you doing the same thing as Adam.
Let’s buy Icp and make a proposal

[WebTreeSoftwareSolut]

I knew that was too well written.

I like your posts better when you use your sense of humor. Can you start start doing the thing again where you sound like someone from the 1700s?

Also there are a lot of threads you forgot to put this billboard in. Cheers mate!

[jamesbeadle]

@Farat

• A decade of development, and still no working product: After nearly ten years, Dragginz has yet to deliver a functional game. This level of delay is unacceptable by any reasonable standard.

I keep emailing GTA 6 with the same thing.

@Farat

• Lack of transparency and decentralisation: The project remains closed-source and far from decentralised, betraying the very principles the Internet Computer (IC) was meant to uphold.

Fully support open source everything, I wanna see the Dragginz code too to know how it’s done and I’m sure when ready he will.

@Farat

• Founder’s destructive behaviour: The founder has actively undermined other DAOs and, in the process, damaged the lives and efforts of genuine builders in the ecosystem.

I am a genuine builder and Adam has improved my life by supporting me on various occassions.

@Farat

• Likely culpability in the token collapse: It’s plausible that the founder and early investors contributed to the catastrophic crash of the token price — from a staggering $700 down to just $3 — eroding trust and devastating holders.

I’ve only ever seen these accusations made at Dom and Gian in a US court (dismissed due to time barring)

@Farat

• Obscene personal enrichment: While the community suffers, the founder enjoys a lavish lifestyle in Monaco, seemingly indifferent to the ruin left behind.

He earned that lifestyle, pre ICP.

[Farat]

I’m entirely behind you and your family milking as much money out of Adam as you can. Go for it, kid.

[ic-jd]

Hey, seem that you have lost control. Just relax, I support you do the same thing as Adam’s. That would be good for the ecosystem.

[jamesbeadle]

Thanks, I’m entirely behind… oh wait, you do nothing.

[RobinK]

@jonit

their heavy investment in the seed round I dont think their investment has brought much enrichment so far.

Token price for Seed/Private Sale - $0.0362
Token price today - $4.72

130x profit - not enough to be called enriched?

[nolyoi]

How much ICP did he prevent you from stealing?

[ohsalmeron]

Isn’t it awesome to participate in Seed/Private sales?