Well, the end users of a cloud architecture are devs. And devs care about the tech stack and ease of adoption so I’m not sure what you mean. The reason vercel is doing well is not because they care about the “end users”, they care about devs, their end users. No one in my family knows about Vercel but most of the dev community knows about Vercel, and as a result the “end users” end up using products built by devs using Vercel to host. Everyone wins.
Motoko
import Float "mo:base/Float";
public func triangleArea(a : Float, b : Float, c : Float) : Float {
let s = (a + b + c) / 2.0;
Float.sqrt(s * (s - a) * (s - b) * (s - c))
};
Rust
pub fn triangle_area(a: f64, b: f64, c: f64) -> f64 {
let s = (a + b + c) / 2.0;
(s * (s - a) * (s - b) * (s - c)).sqrt()
}
That RUST and Motoko code is ATROCIOUS! OMG, and that vile import statement on the Motoko! NOOOooooo!!! 
We’re forcing devs to learn this TRASH?
You said: “I 100% agree with you, that it is a travesty it’s impossible for someone to cleanly migrate their DB to our stack.”
What is the current process for doing so and why do you say impossible to “cleanly” do it? Meaning it can or cannot be done?
If not, what is the solution and can we build an in-house tool or something to assist? What about Adam’s DB?
The numbers show that ICP has indeed grown but very slowly.
Even 6500 per day is a pre-Bob improvement.
You state how marketing is ineffective but at the same time state how nobody in your dev community knows what Motoko or a canister is.
Don’t you think that this is a PR problem? There are tons of influencers and KOLs incentivized to talk about other chains like XRP and if they were instead incentivized to talk about ICP, then all the devs in your community would know about us? Correct?
Maybe not an ad/marketing problem but mainly a PR problem???
They do not know about it because there is no problem worth solving that they have searched for solutions online and saw Motoko. Not in forums, reddit, quora, X….
Ok since we like to say we are the alternative to AWS here’s example
ok lets say for example I had my database somewhere, i dunno cloudfare, and I want to migrate it to AWS.
AWS has built in tools where I just go in their dashboard, click some buttons point to my database, and it ingests it all, automatically with their tools. I don’t have to do anything special, it just works. that is the user experience that @flash is talking about we are missing.
That doesnt mean it’s impossible to migrate here, that doesn’t mean the solutions people have developed here arn’t good, they might even be better! But it’s not a clean and easy user experience for a junior person to move their project from there to here. You kind of have to start over, learning a whole new way to do things. Which can be refreshing if you want something new, but it’s not convenient for those who are entrenched in their ways.
Okay so why can’t someone at DFINITY be tasked with heading up the “MIGRATION” departement and build the tools necessary to “convert” people’s databases into usable orthogonally persistent equivalent structures on the IC?
Or at least convert to Adam’s DB scheme or something similar?
The WASP dude setup MySQL Lite in a canister for use with PHP. If we can now put Linux in a canister smart contract, I would imagine we could create such tools and start producing tools that can do these conversions?
You can clone bitcoin and nothing will happen
Uh sir I’m sorry but btc is not real btc. BSV is the real bitCoin. you have been fooled.
yes, yes, yes, yes, yes and yes.
We dilly-dallied and pat ourselves on the back for being the best tech out there while all other chains heavily marketed and positioned themselves for $ gains during the bull market and brought more people aboard through positive price action. Some made it out while some faded into obscurity.
Now that we’re entering a bear/crab period, we have nothing to hang on to, and even if Caffeine takes off, investors will look to safeguard their capital and not throw money at things since we saw how ruthless crypto can be.
I think the light at the end of the tunnel some people see is just a broken sconce someone forgot to turn off and the tunnel is thousands of miles longer. We still have a long way to go, just wondering if there’s enough gas in the fuel tank.
Well, Bitfinity and Omnity were an attempt to improve the tech stack, but they got zero support from Foundation. Foundation then pivoted to Caffeine, based on ideas from “senior management” - complete disaster. Realistically how can you compete with Google ….
Caffeine was right move, but it should be made as non profit, not private company. Any move about ICP tech upgrade might be done to benefit Caffeine profits.
We still need NFT and token platform from Dfinity. With half built ecosystem its hard to get adoption.
By everything is falling apart you mean it has been a bear market for alts for almost 2 years now? If we pump to $10 next week all of these critiques of the Foundation will disappear over night.
No, caffeineAI was not a bad idea, it actually is a good idea. Replace the money stealing devs with AI. It has created 5% of the total canisters on ICP in the span of a few months, it has also increased the CBR from sub $4k per day to now $6 - 7k per day..
I find it hilarious you think the people who are creating the services are somehow the thieves.
Though i suppose given the history of some projects, I see how you arrived at this conclusion. 
Most devs in crypto are here to get rich fast. Not to create a quality service. They dont care how, they just want to get rich. To that add that the space is unregulated in most courtiers and you get a recipe for fraud.
We have devs draining treasuries, buying boats with SNS money, building dapps with backdoors.
I now think that the only way for this space to become legit as an investment class is for clear/ strict regulation to come from the developed world.
