Subnet Management - fuqsr (Application)

Proposal 135541 Review | aligatorr - CO.DELTA △

VOTE: YES - yet to decide

TLDR: Replaces 2 healthy nodes and slightly improves decentralization by replacing Zurich node.

  • Proposed topology Nakamoto Coefficient is better than current.
Node Changes 2 removed, 2 added
Node ID Status Country City Node Provider Data Center Data Center Owner
lmsfp-rhlpi-pgvyv-hhuos-k2cun-rtcuq-ztly6-6qczo-5leeg-vl72u-dqe5jqmb-vz4s4-tp7g3-v22ai-lqxgz-fonyb-6mmlk-xsmfs-md3u4-ovqek-zqe UP → UNASSIGNED USIN PennsylvaniaPanvel Bigger CapitalKrishna Enterprises aw1pl2 TierpointYotta
wbz2k-b6che-eckjw-vdwro-gyxhj-276mr-lxijv-wvk6b-kdmqn-s7zzh-6qeohtm4-wevpf-tiy4y-egeex-cocfx-saewl-oe3ld-nj6bk-ex4k2-ln6yp-6qe UP → UNASSIGNED CHUS ZurichFlorida Tomahawk.vcRivonia Holdings LLC zh4jv1 Nine.ChTierpoint
Current Nakamoto Coefficients and Topology, avg = 4.60
Attribute Nakamoto Coefficient Identical attribute values Max allowed identical values Unique Counts
Country 3 2, CH 3 11
City 5 1 1 13
Data Center 5 1 1 13
Data Center Owner 5 1 1 13
Node Provider ID 5 1 1 13
Proposed Nakamoto Coefficients and Topology, avg = 4.80
Attribute Nakamoto Coefficient Identical attribute values Max allowed identical values Unique Counts
Country 4 2, SI 3 12
City 5 1 1 13
Data Center 5 1 1 13
Data Center Owner 5 1 1 13
Node Provider ID 5 1 1 13

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Proposal 135541 Review | Lorimer - CO.DELTA △

VOTE: On reflection, I decided to vote NO (more context here).

TLDR: A side-effect of this proposal is that some decentralisation metrics are improved which is nice. However, the proposal claims there’s a need to remove an HSM-secured node, in order to redeploy without the legacy HSM approach. However there’s no forum post from the Node Provider to put this proposal into context. This is something which has been agreed as a requirement in the past for these sorts of proposals.

@Sat, sorry to be a pain, but is there a public announcement about this from the Node Provider that can be pointed to?

Country Discrepancies (1)

This is a very large discrepancy in terms of distance, which I’m surprised to see given than ipinfo.io uses a probe network for increased geolocation accuracy. However the node in question is not the subject of this proposal, so just something to revisit at some point I think.

Node Data Center Claimed Country According to ipinfo.io
4kimr Toronto 2 Canada United States of America (the)
Decentralisation Stats

Subnet node distance stats (distance between any 2 nodes in the subnet) →

Smallest Distance Average Distance Largest Distance
EXISTING 104.032 km 6528.134 km 15362.693 km
PROPOSED 104.032 km 7058.792 km (+8.1%) 16458.534 km (+7.1%)

This proposal slightly increases decentralisation, considered purely in terms of geographic distance (and therefore there’s a slight theoretical increase in localised disaster resilience). :+1:

Subnet characteristic counts →

Continents Countries Data Centers Owners Node Providers Node Operator
EXISTING 4 11 13 13 13 13
PROPOSED 4 12 (+8.3%) 13 13 13 13

This proposal slightly improves decentralisation in terms of jurisdiction diversity. :+1:

Largest number of nodes with the same characteristic (e.g. continent, country, data center, etc.) →

Continent Country Data Center Owner Node Provider Node Operator
EXISTING 7 2 1 1 1 1
PROPOSED 6 (-14.29%) 2 1 1 1 1

See here for acceptable limits → Motion 132136

The above subnet information is illustrated below, followed by a node reference table:

Map Description
  • Red marker represents a removed node (transparent center for overlap visibility)

  • Green marker represents an added node

  • Blue marker represents an unchanged node

  • Highlighted patches represent the country the above nodes sit within (red if the country is removed, green if added, otherwise grey)

  • Light grey markers with yellow borders are examples of unassigned nodes that would be viable candidates for joining the subnet according to formal decentralisation coefficients (so this proposal can be viewed in the context of alternative solutions that are not being used)

  • Black dotted line connects to a small black marker that shows where the IP address indicates the node is located (according to ipinfo.io). This is only displayed if it conflicts with where IC records indicate the node is located. See Country Discrepancies section above for more info.

Node Changes
Action Node Status Continent Country Data Center Owner Node Provider Node Operator
Remove wbz2k UP :bar_chart: Europe Switzerland Zurich 4 (zh4) Nine.Ch Tomahawk.vc paxme
Remove lmsfp UP :bar_chart: North America United States of America (the) Allentown (aw1) Tierpoint Bigger Capital codio
Add 5jqmb UNASSIGNED :bar_chart: Asia India Panvel 2 (pl2) Yotta Krishna Enterprises 7rw6b
Add ohtm4 UNASSIGNED :bar_chart: North America United States of America (the) Jacksonville (jv1) Tierpoint Rivonia Holdings LLC stqij
Other Nodes
Node Status Continent Country Data Center Owner Node Provider Node Operator
4kimr UP :bar_chart: North America Canada Toronto 2 (to2) Cyxtera Blockchain Development Labs 4lp6i
foasq UP :bar_chart: Europe Switzerland Geneva (ge1) HighDC Archery Blockchain SCSp yngfj
nu5cn UP :bar_chart: Europe Germany Frankfurt 2 (fr2) Equinix Virtual Hive Ltd 3nu7r
kydvk UP :bar_chart: Asia Hong Kong HongKong 1 (hk1) Unicom Pindar Technology Limited vzsx4
adplk UP :bar_chart: Asia Korea (the Republic of) Seoul 1 (sl1) Megazone Cloud Neptune Partners ukji3
5fpvj UP :bar_chart: Europe Romania Bucharest (bu1) M247 Iancu Aurel c5ssg
kaoz3 UP :bar_chart: Europe Sweden Stockholm 1 (sh1) Digital Realty DFINITY Stiftung lgp6d
pud2o UP :bar_chart: Asia Singapore Singapore (sg1) Telin OneSixtyTwo Digital Capital d4bin
u6e7b UP :bar_chart: Europe Slovenia Ljubljana 2 (lj2) Anonstake Anonstake eu5wc
jamsd UP :bar_chart: Europe Slovenia Maribor (mb1) Posita.si Fractal Labs AG 3xiew
mcmqr UP :bar_chart: Africa South Africa Gauteng 2 (jb2) Africa Data Centres Karel Frank bm2lc


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Proposal 135541 Review | Malith H - CO.DELTA △

VOTE: YES :white_check_mark:

TLDR:
The proposal is to redploy to HSM less nodes for 1.1 reward structure link. However this is not communicated on the proposal link for clear visibility. Decentralization stats increases as it claims to be.

Provider Changes
Removed Added
Bigger Capital Rivonia Holdings LLC
Tomahawk.vc Krishna Enterprises
Location Changes
Removed Added
North America, Allentown North America, Jacksonville
Europe, Zurich 4 Asia, Panvel 2
Nodes Removed 2
Node ID Status Provider Data Center Location
lmsfp… UP Bigger Capital aw1 Allentown
wbz2k… UP Tomahawk.vc zh4 Zurich 4
Nodes Added 2
Node ID Status Provider Data Center Location
ohtm4… UNASSIGNED Rivonia Holdings LLC jv1 Jacksonville
5jqmb… UNASSIGNED Krishna Enterprises pl2 Panvel 2

:white_check_mark: Passes:

:white_check_mark: Node lmsfp…: Remove from Subnet check passed.
:white_check_mark: Node wbz2k…: Remove from Subnet check passed.
:white_check_mark: Node ohtm4…: Replacement Status check passed.
:white_check_mark: Node 5jqmb…: Replacement Status check passed.

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Proposal 135541 | Tim - CodeGov

Vote: Adopt

This proposal replaces nodes in subnet fuqsr, appearing in the decentralization tool as “UP” for the given reason “freeing up nodes from AW1 node operator for an HSM-less redeployment”, along with an additional node in order to improve overall topology. As shown in the proposal, decentralisation parameters are improved with respect to country and brought to within the requirements of the target topology. Unfortunately there is nothing within the proposal text or within any of the provided links to support the given reason for this change. However, I have voted to adopt given the improvement in decentralisation parameters.

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Proposal 135541 – LaCosta | CodeGov

Vote: ADOPT

Replaces cordoned node lmsfp Dashboard Status: Active and node wbz2k Dashboard Status: Active with nodes ohtm4 Dashboard Status: Awaiting and 5jqmb Dashboard Status: Awaiting on subnet fuqsr.

The proposal makes a necessary replacement by removing a cordoned node that needs to be reployed for HSM-less migration and also improves decentralization by reducing the country CH aka Switzerland from 2 to 1 which is an improvement of 33% in this coefficient.

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Proposal #135541 — Zack | CodeGov

Vote: Adopted
Reason:
The proposal replaces 2 healthy nodes motivated by “freeing up nodes from AW1 node operator for an HSM-less redeployment” with slight improvement to decentralization.

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Hello everyone! With the execution of proposal 136589, the test key for the vetKeys feature was generated on subnet 2fq7c. As announced in this post, the DFINITY Foundation plans to submit follow-up proposals to reshare the key on subnet fuqsr, which also hosts the other threshold keys.

The key resharing process involves pausing the subnet, resharing the key in a CUP (Catch-Up Package), and restarting the subnet from the CUP with the new key. See this post for details on a previous instance of a similar operation.

To minimize downtime for subnet fuqsr, the DFINITY Foundation intends to submit and vote on the required three proposals in quick succession, skipping the usual three-day waiting period. The key resharing is scheduled for 15 May at 11:30 AM (UTC).

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@LaCosta @ZackDS I’ve put this time in my diary. Are at least one of you also available at this time so we can trigger the CodeGov vote?

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Yes, I’ll be there :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:

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Thanks @andrea. Has there been any progress on a means for the community to verify CUPs? (related discussion)

Hi @lorimer, I double checked with the team. Unfortunately the situation is still the same.

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Proposal 136637 is the first one (out of three) for the resharing of the vetkeys test key to subnet fuqsr. As announced above, DFINITY plans to vote on this proposal on 15 May at 11:30 AM (UTC).

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Proposal 136637 Review | aligatorr - CO.DELTA △

VOTE: YES

TLDR: Following 136589, this will halt subnet fuqsr to allow Vet key resharing from subnet 2fq7c using Catch-Up Package message.

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Proposal 136637 Review | Lorimer - CO.DELTA △

VOTE: YES

TLDR: This proposal will halt the subnet at the next catch up package after it executes. This is intentional, and has been announced above.

I’ve adopted early given that it will take significantly more VP to push this over the execution threshold (scheduled for tomorrow). I plan to reject the follow up proposal which will supply the reshared key material in a CUP, for which there will be no way for the community to verify correctness of the state that is being applied to the subnet. More discussion about this type of process can be found here.


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Proposal 136637 Review | Malith H - CO.DELTA △

VOTE: YES :white_check_mark:
TLDR:
The following proposal will pause subnet fuqsr for Vet key resharing from the previous proposal : subnet 2fq7c as mentioned on the forum post. Quickly adopting efforts to minimize downtime. One of three incoming proposals

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Proposal 136653 for resharing the vetKeys test key on subnet fuqsr.

Proposal 136654 to restart subnet fuqsr.

Proposal 136653 Review | Lorimer - CO.DELTA △

VOTE: NO

TLDR: There is no clear way for the community to verify correctness of the state that is being applied to this subnet. I mentioned in advance that I planed to reject this proposal.

In addition to applying a catch up package to the subnet, this proposal also adds the bls12_381_g2 key config (the same that was applied to the backup subnet under Proposal: 136589).


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Proposal 136654 Review | Lorimer - CO.DELTA △

VOTE: YES

TLDR: This proposal simply unhalts the subnet (we have to assume the key material has been shared in the CUP applied by the prior proposal).

@andrea, thanks for being proactive and available to communicate these proposals. Would you be able to share (or point me in the right direction) regarding the process that DFINITY goes through when preparing a CUP of this sort (particularly modifying the state to include arbitrary information)? If you could also highlight privileged access that’s required during this process that would be useful. My thinking is that if a community member could attempt to go through the same process, they could build the same catch up package and verify the hash.

This state obviously needs storing in the registry so that it can be retrieved by the orchestrator and applied to the subnet when it starts up. That state is observable as a hash in the payload of Proposal: 136653, but where is the actual state relative to that proposal (how does the registry get hold of it)?


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Proposal 136653 Review | Malith H - CO.DELTA △

VOTE: YES :white_check_mark:
TLDR:
This proposal (step 2 of 3) paused subnet fuqsr, injected a recovery Catch-Up Package that adds the new vetKD master test key at height 141,320,000, and was fast-tracked and adopted by DFINITY to finish a key-reshare test;

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