Thanks for the kind words 
Well! I’m pretty sure that we can go further and push the limits of ICP. I can see Python running in a near future. I’m working on a side project using AI heavily, when I’m tired of PHP 
that aim to run Blazor server on ICP. Already have dotnet core 10 running partially with C#. May not run in the end, but will push very hard to make this work as government and large enterprise run thi kind of tech.
Mayne I’ll give a shot at BBForum, it runs on PHP, but would need a solid database support.
There is also all the Laravel ecosystem that is very interesting. Lots of developers and software there too.
Michel, you’re onto something here. IMO, this is what has been missing from the IC. No offense to Adam with his ICYDB as well. We need to make it easier to migrate web2 over for all the benefits.
When a business inquires, how do I move over with the least amount of friction?, we say, here is a solution. Let our migration specialists help you do that. You make it super simple to get their web2 properties over here and then they will further invest in rewrites in the future to take advantage of value transfer and much more that the IC has to offer and most importantly become a paying customer by helping our adoption and burn.
This is a GREAT start! I’m actually excited about your very important work. It would be a big mistake not to support this.
Thank you Michel! I hope DFINITY gives you whatever you need to further your efforts.
This would be awesome. There are a huge number of enterprises on that tech stack, and I’m sure this would turn many heads. Plus blazor is cool technology that would be super interesting to run on the IC.
Now we’re strategizing and talking.
This should have been the initial strategy from day 1 imo.
Let’s get this show on the road like yesterday.
If I were DFINITY and DOM, I would put Michel on the payroll and make sure he has all the resources he needs to help us migrate as much of web2 here as possible and as quickly as possible!
This is truly where we get true burn until Caffeine, SNORKEL, and the rest of his ideas catch up.
Imagine if we had a few hundred or thousand wordpress sites migrated over for added value plus all the other benefits. That’s how we get the ball rolling, get referrals, and get this whole “on-chain” web3 movement moving here.
We need to make it chic and popular to “upgrade” your web2 site to ICP and web3.
Not to mention this is how we get ICP devs in demand needing to add value to all these web2 properties that have moved over here. Once you have enough demand and ICP devs are making money and are in demand, the sky is the limit for how much business we bring here.
FYI, NOKU from Lugano developed a proof of concept two years ago, demonstrating WordPress as a potential use case on the ICP, with a complete dashboard and very easy page uploads.
I also think that being able to run WordPress on ICP is impressive at least from a technical standpoint. But what would be the unique selling points or compelling arguments to convince people to run their WordPress sites on ICP?
WordPress is not a niche use case — it is one of the largest software ecosystems on the internet, powering roughly 43% of all websites globally, likely representing hundreds of millions of websites, with hundreds of millions of people interacting with WordPress pages every month.
So yes, being able to run WordPress on ICP is impressive from a technical standpoint, but the real argument is much stronger: WordPress on ICP could offer a tamper-resistant, virtually hack-proof, sovereign hosting environment.
For enterprises, governments, media companies, and regulated industries, the key selling point is sovereign data: keeping websites, content, and user data on trusted decentralized infrastructure, with greater resilience, reduced attack surface, and less dependence on hyperscalers or traditional hosting providers.
The next logical target would be Shopify-style commerce on ICP, rebuilt as 100% Web3 infrastructure.
WordPress on ICP proves the website layer. Shopify on ICP would extend that into sovereign Web3 commerce: online shops, product catalogs, customer data, order history, payments, loyalty, and merchant infrastructure running on-chain instead of centralized servers.
For merchants and brands, the key arguments are sovereign customer data, tamper-resistant records, stronger resilience, reduced platform dependency, native Web3 payments, tokenized loyalty, and programmable settlement.
In simple terms:
WordPress on ICP is the Web3 website layer. Shopify on ICP would be the Web3 commerce layer. Together, they prove ICP can host mainstream internet infrastructure — fully on-chain, sovereign, and 100% Web3.
um, 40% of the internet is onlyfans. the stat is “40% of static websites use WP”, but this is a bit of a dad-fact.
pair this with “2/3 of new websites are AI built” and “half of all websites from pre 2010 are now gone” and you start to build a picture of an overturning web, not one that that is perpetual and available.
but that makes sense. the idea of keeping all static websites forever is silly, and forgetting is an important part of self-improvement.
getting WP on the ICP is quite an achievement, but imo will serve best as a gimmick to demonstrate that all kinds of “normal” things can be ported here. i doubt that 40% of people who want to use the ICP for a new site will choose a WP-style route, but many will
Here’s the thing.
You want to sell people on a new web for the future that has all these properties that our current web lacks. You want to offer a migration path that makes sense. Compatibility.
You want to offer businesses and enterprises and governments, some still running things like COBOL, a path forward here for their own good.
When companies want to upgrade, you offer them a path of least resistance first and foremost. It makes the sale MUCH EASIER!
If you don’t, they won’t bother! Why not? Because most are LAZY, don’t want to pay for any major rewrites, don’t want to deal with any downtime whatsoever, and the web2 devs working for them are even LAZIER and set in their ways and don’t want to bother! DOM KNOWS THIS TOO WELL. That’s why he’s frustrated.
But now you have an easy way to migrate your current property over and then you sell them on truly rewriting it over time so it is more web3 and more internet of valueish.
This just makes common sense!
Trying to sell people on Motoko and Rust rewrites along with a whole new paradigm shift from day 1 doesn’t make sense at all.
And by the way, I agree with DOM about the current crypto market. It sucks. It’s garbage. Us listed on CMC next to these garbage projects that are mostly gamblers and whale manipulators is pathetic. ICP should be standing out but everyone in this retail crypto landscape just wants to make a quick buck and steal as much money while they still can.
The sooner we move away and truly differentiate ourselves from all this b.s., the better.
Congratulations on this breakthrough — I’ve been following the WASP project since your September announcement and this is genuinely exciting. I’m Kim Greenhouse, Founder of The Rainmaking Company and Producer/Host of It’s Rainmaking Time! — a broadcast platform with 550+ segments reaching leaders across 40 countries. I’m also an ICP investor and have been studying the communications gap between ICP’s technical capabilities and mainstream adoption. https://itsrainmakingtime.ch This WordPress implementation is exactly the kind of “lightning rod” (to use Dominic’s term from his comment above) that closes that gap. My platform has been running on WordPress for 20 years with Vimeo embeds and an extensive content library, and I manage four WordPress sites total.
UPDATE (April 29): Timing couldn’t be more relevant — this morning my centralized hosting provider (Hosting.com) locked myself & others out of cPanel, WHM, and Webmail due to a critical cPanel authentication vulnerability. My four WordPress sites are running, but I have zero management access until a third-party vendor patches their software. This is exactly the kind of single-point-of-failure risk that makes ICP’s sovereign-by-architecture approach so compelling. My 20+ years of content shouldn’t be hostage to centralized software vendors.
Two questions: 1. Technical compatibility: Has there been any testing yet with Vimeo embeds? (Vimeo private embeds and YouTube) My entire broadcast archive (550+ episodes) and an audio interface relies on this. Also curious about your experience so far with plugin compatibility and custom WordPress configurations. 2. May 10th context: Given Dominic’s announcement about the Cloud Engines demo on May 10th, is WASP part of that presentation? And will Cloud Engines address some of the performance/cycle concerns you mentioned?
I’d be very interested in exploring an early adoption partnership — my platform could serve as a real-world stress test for a broadcast/media use case, and I’m uniquely positioned to help translate ICP’s capabilities to mainstream audiences (which is exactly what this project demonstrates). Happy to continue this conversation here or privately if that’s easier.
It’s Rainmaking Time!
Kim Greenhouse
This WordPress breakthrough is exactly the “lightning rod” you mentioned as it bridges the gap between ICP’s technical capabilities and mainstream adoption.
I’m experiencing that gap in real-time today: my centralized hosting provider locked me out of cPanel/WHM due to a critical authentication vulnerability. Four WordPress sites running, zero management access until a third-party vendor patches their software.
My platform (It’s Rainmaking Time!, 550+ broadcast segments across 40 countries) has run on WordPress for around 20 years. I’m uniquely positioned to help translate why WordPress-on-ICP matters to the millions of content creators and businesses currently hostage to centralized infrastructure.
Looking forward to seeing how this develops toward May 10th.
Thank you Kim.
I hope DOM listens to you and also give you an interview on your platform regarding this.
I think WASP is still in Beta essentially but @miadey Michel could use your input here and possibly do this conversion and make it happen?
Then you would be the first big testimonial to get others to do the same and start the trend that we need here.
If we are touting that we have a better underlying design for our current web but we don’t have a good strategy to migrate folks like yourself who are forward-thinking and looking, then we’re not going after lots of business that could start getting the ball rolling to putting ICP on the map firmly here.
@Bad_Marine Sean in addition to Michel have great ideas here. Common sense ideas. Good business strategies.
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CREATE A MIGRATION STRATEGY starting with Wordpress
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CREATE A NODE STRATEGY like Sean is saying (State and other governments that want to invest in sovereign advanced nodes that are encrypted and will minimize the reliance on big tech, offer cybersecurity by default, and allow for a migration to the internet of the future we are looking for.
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DO USEFUL INTERVIEWS that help push these initiatives as well as good ROI Marketing spends on this… Get people to start knowing about ICP as “a better internet”
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HAVE A REAL SALES TEAM and “MIGRATION SPECIALISTS” to help web2 transition over starting with whatever we can move over like WordPress
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If we do this right, we get ICP DEVS in demand. More job opportunities for devs here. If enough devs are needed and are employed and making money on this chain, the whole engine chugs.
Get the burn going… Get the clients… get the referrals…get the ball rolling…then get on useful media and convince people that more businesses should indeed be hosting here…
Don’t get me wrong. Caffeine especially and the other ideas like SNORKEL and IIN are wonderful but will take more time. We do need acceleration for AI workloads no doubt as well but being able to migrate over is important. Getting embedded into government IT tech infrastructure is also important.
Are you listening Pierre and Josh??? What is your current strategy to bring customers here?
WE NEED ROCK STAR SALES PEOPLE helping us sell and migrate people over here like yesterday. People who espouse the cost savings of coming here for a lot of businesses that are at risk for hacks, downtime, want to own their data and AI agents, and so much more and also want to start taking advantage of crypto on a secure platform that has proven to be resilient and have great uptime even when the rest of the net goes down! Every “cybersecurity expert” they fire is a direct cost savings to their bottom line! How are we not selling this tech???
Hi Kim,
I’m sorry to hear about your bad experience with your provider. Unfortunately, there are thousands of stories like yours. I’ve had to deal with similar issues myself, even to the point of having some of my own sites hacked, with skull images displayed on them, among other things. I also had a site that ranked first on Google for certain search terms and was later rejected by Google. This translated in lost of revenus!
Regarding your questions, we are still optimizing speed, which should improve soon, and we are already making significant progress. My next step is to run larger sites with more features and multiple plugins. I’m thinking in particular of WooCommerce, Elementor, and WPML, the translation plugin. If everything goes well after that, we should be able to move into a beta period and start testing real websites. I can let you know at that point, but for now it’s difficult to define exactly when that will be.
Regarding your question about Vimeo, I haven’t looked into it specifically, but my understanding is that you probably have a plugin that embeds videos from a source such as YouTube or Vimeo. In that case, it is likely just JavaScript code, which should not be a problem. In fact, anything that already runs on WordPress should run on WASP.
As for your second question, I am not part of ICP and I have nothing to do with Cloud Engine, even though I may become a major user of it. Having my own Cloud Engine to run PHP applications would be truly incredible.
I’ll let you know as soon as I have any updates regarding your hosting.
Even better than Shopify, a few years ago I used a system called Adobe Business Catalyst, and it was truly amazing. It had a website builder, a CRM, a membership system with sections for different types of members, a complete e-commerce system with payments, and we could also create collections and small applications to make them available on the website, in member sections, or as web apps.
In short, the system was really complete, but unfortunately Adobe decided, for some unknown reason, they do have a habit of killing their products!, to shut it down.
Recently, while I was mulling over PHP and WordPress and things were not moving forward, I put together a proof of concept that somewhat reproduced what Business Catalyst used to do, but with an interesting twist: integrating AI at every level. In the website design process, a mix between Wix and Elementor in WordPress, as well as in marketing, SEO/GEO, mass mailing, analytics and more broadly across the whole application by integrating Anthropic’s API directly and horizontally throughout the platform.
It is built with React and Motoko, and would be offered as a SaaS. It sits somewhere between, let’s say, WordPress and Caffeine.
It is only a proof of concept, as I still have WASP and a full-time job :D, but I will definitely come back to it. Here are a couple of screenshots of this app. Waspify ? lol
Run Adobe Commerce (Magento) and Drupal on ICP to eliminate servers, reduce infrastructure costs, and turn enterprise commerce and content systems into tamper-proof, sovereign backends.
This is one of my FAVORITE threads on this entire forum!
THIS BY FAR is the kind of thinking we need!
WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO ON THE IC that we thought was impossible to achieve?
HACK AWAY and HAVE FUN! Let’s push this tech to the limits!!!
Ultiimately, those of us who have worked with & inside of Wordpress who appreciate it also know that it has been a very bloated, unwieldy ecosystem that is due for a major house cleaning. Most Themes are not that great by the time you get all of those necessary plugins in there & webmasters often tend to not want to learn new software or ponder a possible departure from this ecosystem, which I understand. I am not a webmaster but have had to fire every single one since I started in Wordpress accept the first one, who has been out of touch since 2016. The work you are doing could be vital in keeping Wordpress sites out of the massive hacking dangers they have to live with. This is why, even if Wordpress has needed many big changes since 2009, to be secured in ICP would make a massive difference. Please do keep me updated. Thank you again for getting in touch with me. I await good news as you have it. Stay well.
Kim Greenhouse
It’s Rainmaking Time!
https://forum.dfinity.org/t/proposal-draft-the-caffeine-growth-sns/68177
Here is an idea to toss around.