Voting Neuron Grants – Season 2

Oh no… node providers are selling the node rewards that are paid out to them to cover operating expenses.

How dare they use the node rewards how they were intended to.

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It’s certain that if DFINITY OWNLY selects a TWO major reviewers for proposals, and doesn’t give others a chance or significantly limits it, it will generally lead to an oligopoly, with DFINITY choosing it. As is widely known, the ICP ecosystem has ONLY (or as much as) two major flaws: lack of good marketing and HIGH CENTRALIZATION as a public good network.

I only write what is commonly known, obvious and I agree with it.

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Yes, this is the only topic that really mattered to Donna and I… after basically sacrificing months to weed out the bad providers, ignoring our kids, producing nearly 1000 pages of reports on the state of the network.

All for somebody at Dfinity to just overrule and put the scammers and thieves back in control.

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Hey Adam,

Glad to see you active on the forum after the summer break!

You need more than four people for 66% of the VP on WaterNeuron, please see the screenshot attached below. You can check-out the voting power breakdown for WaterNeuron on dashboard.waterneuron.fi.

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If Aviate being a node admin reviewer is not a conflict of interest. i dont know what is.

I would be happy to be wrong here. Id love to hear from @louisevelayo and explain how he will be an impartial reviewer of onboarding nodes while simultaneously offering monitoring and management services to them.

I thought given recent actions from the foundation in regards to node providers there would be more scrutiny and thought on the persons reviewing such things. Apparently i thought wrong.

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I just wanted to clarify this statement i made.

I do not mean to imply that @louisevelayo has any malicious intent. I dont believe that he does.

My point is that in most government type organizations it is crucial to ensure that decision makers do not have interests that may unduly influence the decisions they need to make. Whether intentionally or unintentionally. I do not believe that what is best for aviate is always best for the network and this should be considered.

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Internet Computer Politics, Security, Voting Power and Last Call for Votes

There is an American expression that says, this is not my first rodeo, it means that this is not the first time I step into these difficult circumstances.

This Neuron Grant experience was not the first time I experienced first hand politics, and money being the main factors for a decision, but it was without a doubt the first time I lived this inside the NNS Voting system.

I would like to share some nuanced, and sincere criticism of this whole process.

Yesterday on X formerly Twitter, I did a Space regarding this situation. I discussed my qualifications and experience with security, programming, the Internet Computer, the NNS, the SNS and much more.

It is an hour of audio, and there are some gaps because we started at the 7 minute mark, but I think this Space where we had over 60 people will be useful for folks to know me better, I hope it motivates some to vote for me, but most importantly I hope it adds constructive criticism to this whole process, and suggests some ideas for improvements.

To everyone who has already won this contest, congratulations!

Although I disagree with the system, and find many issues with it, I salute the transparency, and wish you all success. Here is the Space audio, I recorded yesterday night, I hope you find it valuable and useful:

Have a great day!

Joseph Hurtado
Founder Satoshi Notes
Chief Consultant Granata LLC

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I know this was meant as sarcasm but it is, sadly, literally true. Dfinity placing its finger on the scale in this fashion is atrocious. We have always known the foundation favoured select people, like handing the KYT thing over to a person who had harmed the NFT ecosystem immensely, but even in that case one could argue there was no alternative available at short notice. Now, there are alternatives and again the community is leaning one way and Dfinity brazenly goes in the opposite direction.

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There’s less than 30 minutes left until the votes close for @zenithcode. @cryptoschindler, is there a reason that DFINITY is choosing to disregard the sentiment of the rest of the NNS and is abstaining from voting on Zenith Code’s election proposal? Did Zenith Code perform poorly in Season 1, or were they given any feedback expressing concerns about their performance?

I’m struggling to understand the justification for overturning the election result. DFINITY has only voted for 2 candidates (which therefore defacto become the electees, regardless of how any other NNS participant voted).

If Zenith Code also receives a vote from DFINITY, they would beat CodeGov in the election hands down.

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Similar situation for Rivram on the Protocol Canister Management topic.

DFINITY has only voted for 2 candidates so far (which therefore de facto become elected, regardless of how anyone else voted). Rivram Inc is the clear favourite over CodeGov (among the wider voting community).

Zenith Code and Rivram will not receive a single topic if DFINITY does not avoid this bias. CodeGov will receive 3 topics, and it’s basically just one man with a neuron, who explicitly does not consider the team to operate under a democracy and all funds flow through him. I’ve personally had bad experience being part of that team due to how it’s been managed by Wenzel.

How is this avoiding concentration? What is this DFINITY decision-making based on?

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Further, I would draw attention to the fact that the only reason CodeGov was elected in Season 1 is because Synapse favoured them. But for all intents and purposes CodeGov and Synapse are sister organisations. Wenzel has a secret hotkey on Synapse giving him the power to control the neuron unilaterally (even though publicly it’s advertised as fully decentralised and transparent). Having been a member of Synapse, I know that the group within Synapse are told this is information that should not be shared outside the group.

I was kicked out of Synapse weeks ago due to months of campaigning by Wenzel encouraging the rest of the group that I needed to leave it (because he doesn’t like having his opinion challenged by someone who is good at recognising problems).

This proposal was the final straw that resulted in me finally leaving Synapse.


Bottom line, CodeGov (Wenzel) was elected in Season 1 because Wenzel ensured it, and the rest of the NNS was busy or unaware at the time. If the experience gained through Season 1 is used as justification for DFINITY’s vote in Season 2, I’m not sure how reasonable that is, particularly given the preferences expressed by the rest of the NNS.

How unpopular does CodeGov need to become before DFINITY stops giving them undue preferential treatment at the expense of real decentralisation?

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Its simple really.

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Yes like most comedians he is that, a comedian, i wouldnt say he got everything “right” but theres nuggets of truth in there.

I was being facetious and ironic, sort of pretending to be the guys that would bury that.. hah. Ignore me. Carlin is god

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