Hey @pphaolu, Querio search engine is live! We would greatly appreciate if you could try it out and provide your feedback or suggestions on our post on Dfinity’s forum.
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I just wanted to ask this but see the question is already in the thread. Please is there any response?
https://74iy7-xqaaa-aaaaf-qagra-cai.raw.ic0.app/whitepaper
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Thanks for pointing this out we are double checking and will share in the public SNS.config file.
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Without a good user experience, what can you do to compete? It’s been almost a year since Kinic has made any major updates. Same feeling of experience as last year during hackathon. kinic indexes all the front-end canister and then does the search. Just indexing regardless of results right? I don’t know if you guys understand what the nature of search is or not? Do search without sorting algorithm？？？lol
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Hi, andreea.
My friends and I have tested Querio.
Pros: neat interface, fast
Cons: The same problem as Kinic, search results are almost never considered with sorting algorithms or weights. Makes it hard for users to find the actual content they want. For example, search for “Internet Computer”. BTW, I can’t get any results for “querio” in Querio.
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We respect all developers. But your project is rushing to the SNS to be tested, which involves millions of icp. with all due respect, Kinic’s valuation is too high.
Hi!
I understand what your saying. You want your search engine to be as good as a 30 yead-old multi-billion dollar web2 version right? That is great!! Let’s build it together via open-source, community driven, 100% on-chain manner. We have some really cool ideas in the roadmap for ZKML and more.
BTW, I can’t get any results for “querio” in Querio.
Hard to use an on-chain app search engine to find something off-chain.
It is fair to compare… but we all need to work on the opensource web3 DB to make those features better.
Or you get issues like you mentioned and more…
Kinic’s valuation is too high.
The SNS locks ICP into a treasury. It is not like the devs or anyone else gets to take it and run away with it. It simply allows development to be able to make requests to a DAO so that things can speed up.
It seems like you are proposing nothing gets funded on web3.
Edit and add: The range for Kinic is 500,000 to 1,500,000 or $3,000,000 ~ $9,000,000 at $6/ICP.
This matches closely to what a web2 startup gets during seeds or crowdfunds.
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Hi @pphaolu and thanks for testing out Querio!
Our primary goal was to give the community a needed tool that actually works, so Querio is not yet on-chain. As we speak we’re working on transferring Querio code on-chain. Our vision for Querio is to evolve into a cross-chain web3 search engine, by expanding the scope of its searches to cover other blockchains.
We’ll soon publish the whitepaper and roadmap, where you’ll find all the details. We’ll announce it on the forum when the time comes.
Stop spamming subjective judgment statements here.
‘actually works’ he just said:
My friends and I have tested Querio.
Pros: neat interface, fast
Cons: The same problem as Kinic, search results are almost never considered with sorting algorithms or weights. Makes it hard for users to find the actual content they want. For example, search for “Internet Computer”. BTW, I can’t get any results for “querio” in Querio.
Since you are 100% off-chain you could just pay a cloud search service to do the API. That is the trivial part.
I will not participate in kinic SNS, because the team structure is small
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Hey Guys,
Happy to be here in the discussion.
Do you know if there is a comparison available that covers the technological advancements, competence, user base, and experience of KINIC and QUERIO?
I think there is not yet. But even so, I expect both to improve rapidly.
It is not quite apple to apples at the moment as one uses open-source web3 technology that runs on-chain, and that anyone can use and contribute to - Candb
The other - probably AWS xyz search API or something like that. Actually comparing stacks would also be interesting. Kinic uses Vue - CanDB and the Internet Computer blockchain.
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What do you mean by this? The amount of team members?
How many team members do you think a non-funded open-source project should have?
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Can we please keep Querio discussion in a separate thread? This should be about the Kinic SNS proposal, and discussing the viability of a Kinic SNS
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I think $9 million is reasonable, if the team can make a detailed roadmap, it may be beneficial to the prosperity of SNS
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This is not high, a MEME COIN may be ten times that
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Thank you for your feedback. I think it is quite clear where ‘search’ in general is going - ML based models. But ML models do not currently run on-chain, and even if they did how would you trust the code was executed correctly? Or trust that the input data was not collected and mis-used — what about private inputs?
In the roadmap we have written about Zero-knowledge Machine Learning. This is a verifiable machine learning type that is quite suited for the Kinic use-case.
The Kinic Developer Organisation is well suited for this task and it is far reaching outside of the scope of just the IC - or ‘indexing other blockchain’. As applications of on-chain ZKML are imperative for the future of blockchain applications.
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I agree with your current work and roadmap! At the same time, I will participate in SNS! But the current situation seems unfavorable, for the success of SNS, of course, including my own investment success! I think it is necessary for you to make some changes before SNS launch, let users see what querio can do, you can do it, and at the same time you are better than his, even if some are not in WEB3