Subnet Management - k44fs (Application)

This topic is intended to capture Subnet Management activities over time for the k44fs subnet, providing a place to ask questions and make observations about the management of this subnet.

At the time of creating this topic the current subnet configuration is as follows:

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{
  "version": 44478,
  "records": [
    {
      "key": "subnet_record_k44fs-gm4pv-afozh-rs7zw-cg32n-u7xov-xqyx3-2pw5q-eucnu-cosd4-uqe",
      "version": 44478,
      "value": {
        "membership": [
          "pxyu4-nrrqd-w3vmd-egofs-gpia5-tljnw-gtnuv-rueu6-2sxij-24x3x-gqe",
          "nbela-otrcc-dakmr-4ljx7-igd2t-3ge3b-xskv7-cnj65-co4r7-cjxyd-vqe",
          "gs6io-zywbn-ax37l-3sijy-b72cq-ljqnf-dhz6e-x5qqz-7v6va-xterb-qae",
          "ltav6-3lsov-3cp5a-lswi6-dwyes-nyery-l3in3-tqcj2-6o4cc-pnqit-jqe",
          "q3sji-7croe-uqcsz-rva4e-orlkf-c4y44-b2sl4-shnns-l57fz-fn2wa-xqe",
          "ztrgw-a7sec-ynzfd-utn5y-lnjjs-eb3w5-3yc6s-rygch-tizry-xvjwr-uae",
          "lfque-cnxjq-mq7nk-tcmti-tm2bn-sgwin-uclrl-kdkmt-y6epr-ltweh-zqe",
          "gd2vp-cewud-bap4i-b3vb4-jbxhf-3ojbk-d2n6l-wg46d-vcovk-bjwyz-tqe",
          "amjrq-m7xgs-bacs7-g54xa-t72h6-dszrv-7mj3i-6vcbx-3zzb2-6eean-xqe",
          "2o33b-cheo6-ozp6n-sjrqc-cbro3-bslrm-kuhqz-wpncp-vlhji-jzeoj-6ae",
          "yh3a6-fzjir-23ow3-cnsz4-w56dj-veho7-qvu6c-psj3h-uscb5-4ikej-pae",
          "dvywh-wfuga-x6hes-4hrar-nomdt-d7tzv-x463j-ufb3c-cestw-rgxkh-kae",
          "d7dyc-slisa-nrkkz-hrpee-2xbpi-xjido-shkjk-vrtob-cmfxd-6sevt-5qe"
        ],
        "nodes": {},
        "max_ingress_bytes_per_message": 2097152,
        "max_ingress_messages_per_block": 1000,
        "max_block_payload_size": 4194304,
        "unit_delay_millis": 1000,
        "initial_notary_delay_millis": 600,
        "replica_version_id": "2c0b76cfc7e596d5c4304cff5222a2619294c8c1",
        "dkg_interval_length": 499,
        "start_as_nns": false,
        "subnet_type": "application",
        "features": {
          "canister_sandboxing": false,
          "http_requests": true,
          "sev_enabled": false
        },
        "max_number_of_canisters": 120000,
        "ssh_readonly_access": [],
        "ssh_backup_access": [],
        "ecdsa_config": null,
        "chain_key_config": null
      }
    }
  ]
}

There’s an open proposal for changing subnet membership - https://dashboard.internetcomputer.org/proposal/131427. This information is presented below:

  • red marker represents a removed node
  • green marker represents an added node
  • highlighted patches represent the country a node sits within

Table
Country Data Center Owner Node Provider Node
--- Germany Munich (mu1) q.beyond Staking Facilities dvywh-wfuga-x6hes-4hrar-nomdt-d7tzv-x463j-ufb3c-cestw-rgxkh-kae
+++ Slovenia Maribor (mb1) Posita.si Fractal Labs AG wjidr-63mpn-3nnhd-knwl2-hiq65-to2lf-4zlii-o4tab-big3p-cbfpz-jae
Australia Melbourne 2 (mn2) NEXTDC Icaria Systems Pty Ltd ztrgw-a7sec-ynzfd-utn5y-lnjjs-eb3w5-3yc6s-rygch-tizry-xvjwr-uae
Belgium Brussels (br1) Digital Realty Allusion yh3a6-fzjir-23ow3-cnsz4-w56dj-veho7-qvu6c-psj3h-uscb5-4ikej-pae
Canada Toronto (to1) Cyxtera Blockchain Development Labs gs6io-zywbn-ax37l-3sijy-b72cq-ljqnf-dhz6e-x5qqz-7v6va-xterb-qae
Switzerland Zurich 2 (zh2) Everyware DFINITY Operations SA gd2vp-cewud-bap4i-b3vb4-jbxhf-3ojbk-d2n6l-wg46d-vcovk-bjwyz-tqe
Costa Rica San José 1 (cr1) Navegalo GeoNodes LLC nbela-otrcc-dakmr-4ljx7-igd2t-3ge3b-xskv7-cnj65-co4r7-cjxyd-vqe
Georgia Tbilisi 1 (tb1) Cloud9 George Bassadone q3sji-7croe-uqcsz-rva4e-orlkf-c4y44-b2sl4-shnns-l57fz-fn2wa-xqe
India Greater Noida 1 (gn1) Yotta ACCUSET SOLUTIONS ltav6-3lsov-3cp5a-lswi6-dwyes-nyery-l3in3-tqcj2-6o4cc-pnqit-jqe
Japan Tokyo 2 (ty2) Equinix Starbase pxyu4-nrrqd-w3vmd-egofs-gpia5-tljnw-gtnuv-rueu6-2sxij-24x3x-gqe
Romania Bucharest (bu1) M247 Iancu Aurel d7dyc-slisa-nrkkz-hrpee-2xbpi-xjido-shkjk-vrtob-cmfxd-6sevt-5qe
Singapore Singapore 3 (sg3) Racks Central OneSixtyTwo Digital Capital amjrq-m7xgs-bacs7-g54xa-t72h6-dszrv-7mj3i-6vcbx-3zzb2-6eean-xqe
United States of America (the) San Jose (sj1) INAP Mary Ren 2o33b-cheo6-ozp6n-sjrqc-cbro3-bslrm-kuhqz-wpncp-vlhji-jzeoj-6ae
South Africa Gauteng 2 (jb2) Africa Data Centres Karel Frank lfque-cnxjq-mq7nk-tcmti-tm2bn-sgwin-uclrl-kdkmt-y6epr-ltweh-zqe

The removed node is replaced with a node based in Slovenia. I’ve verified that this node is currently unassigned.

The proposal mentions that his change is needed due to the Munich (mu1) data centre being due for decommissioning. See here for more discussion and references.

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I love the maps but struggle a bit to make out the unchanged nodes. Maybe they could be shown in a neutral colour such as blue?

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Thanks @bitdivine, I’ll try making them blue on the next one :slight_smile:

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This subnet is being made private by → Expanding the list of Public Subnets on the Internet Computer - Governance / NNS proposal discussions - Internet Computer Developer Forum (dfinity.org)

DFINITY will submit an NNS proposal today to reduce the notarization delay on the subnet, k44fs, similar to what has happened on other subnets in recent weeks (you can find all details in this forum thread).

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Voted to adopt Proposal 133141. This proposal is intended to reduce network latency by reducing the notarization delay from 600ms to 300ms for subnet k44fs, as has now happened for the majority of application subnets.

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Voted to adopt, the id is a match and it’s the same reduction as we are all aware of on majority of subnets by now.

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Voted to adopt proposal 133141. Similar to recent proposals that have been made targeting application subnets like k44fs to reduce the notarization delay from 600ms to 300ms according to roadmaps established.

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Voted to adopt proposal 134277. The proposal seeks to remove a cordoned node from the subnet and specifies that the associated data centre is being offboarded “after 48 months”. Decentralisation parameters are unchanged. The necessary context is provided by this forum post and associated discussion. For future proposals of this type I recommend that the background context be included in the proposal text for ease of verification.

I’ve voted to reject proposal 134277. It makes claims that I see no clear way of verifying, and supporting statements regarding the ownership of the data centre are inconsistent with records held in the IC registry. The proposal was announced here.

Voted to adopt proposal 134277. This proposal is part of a sequence of steps to remove cordoned nodes from subnets as the associated data centeres are being offboarded after 48 months of their respective DC contracts that are still private and were signed up before the Genesis. There is a great and detailed explanation of this changes in this forum post and the forum thread it is in. In the wiki there is a series of Steps for Gen-1 Node onboarding after 48 months that need to be followed in order for the nodes to continue earning rewards which starts by making a forum post in the following thread. As we can verify no one as come forward with nodes from the DCs in this proposals so I don’t see any issues with the removal of this nodes.

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A new proposal with id 134571 has been submitted, please take a look.

Click here to open proposal details

Replace nodes in subnet k44fs

Motivation:
The following nodes in subnet k44fs have been cordoned and need to be removed from the subnet:

Decentralization Nakamoto coefficient changes for subnet k44fs-gm4pv-afozh-rs7zw-cg32n-u7xov-xqyx3-2pw5q-eucnu-cosd4-uqe:

    node_provider: 5.00 -> 5.00    (+0%)
      data_center: 5.00 -> 5.00    (+0%)
data_center_owner: 5.00 -> 5.00    (+0%)
             area: 5.00 -> 5.00    (+0%)
          country: 5.00 -> 5.00    (+0%)

Mean Nakamoto comparison: 5.00 → 5.00 (+0%)

Overall replacement impact: equal decentralization across all features

Details

Nodes removed:

  • amjrq-m7xgs-bacs7-g54xa-t72h6-dszrv-7mj3i-6vcbx-3zzb2-6eean-xqe [health: healthy]
  • gs6io-zywbn-ax37l-3sijy-b72cq-ljqnf-dhz6e-x5qqz-7v6va-xterb-qae [health: healthy]

Nodes added:

  • t7ih7-rbewm-ftxuo-pw3gf-3dobc-lcryh-ew4wz-rwexh-667xe-a4yox-kqe [health: healthy]
  • vn5yd-eiwsz-jdwpi-ox2xg-wlwob-bbq4i-s4l2f-sz7ek-nmjtk-vhoxb-hae [health: healthy]
    node_provider                                                              data_center            data_center_owner              area                        country        
    -------------                                                              -----------            -----------------              ----                        -------        
    6nbcy-kprg6-ax3db-kh3cz-7jllk-oceyh-jznhs-riguq-fvk6z-6tsds-rqe  1 -> 0    aw1               1    Africa Data Centres       1    Brussels Capital       1    AU            1
    6sq7t-knkul-fko6h-xzvnf-ktbvr-jhx7r-hapzr-kjlek-whugy-zt6ip-xqe       1    br1               1    Cloud9                    1    Bucuresti              1    BE            1
    7a4u2-gevsy-5c5fs-hsgri-n2kdz-dxxwf-btcfp-jykro-l4y7c-7xky2-aqe       1    bu1               1    Cyxtera                   1    Gauteng                1    CA            1
    7at4h-nhtvt-a4s55-jigss-wr2ha-ysxkn-e6w7x-7ggnm-qd3d5-ry66r-cae       1    cr1               1    Digital Realty            1    Greater Noida          1    CH            1
    bvcsg-3od6r-jnydw-eysln-aql7w-td5zn-ay5m6-sibd2-jzojt-anwag-mqe       1    gn1               1    Equinix                   1    Maribor                1    CR            1
    cp5ib-twnmx-h4dvd-isef2-tu44u-kb2ka-fise5-m4hta-hnxoq-k45mm-hqe       1    jb2               1    Everyware                 1    Melbourne              1    GE            1
    i7dto-bgkj2-xo5dx-cyrb7-zkk5y-q46eh-gz6iq-qkgyc-w4qte-scgtb-6ae       1    kr1          0 -> 1    KT                   0 -> 1    Ontario                1    IN            1
    ihbuj-erwnc-tkjux-tqtnv-zkoar-uniy2-sk2go-xfpkc-znbb4-seukm-wqe       1    mb1               1    M247                      1    Pennsylvania           1    JP            1
    r3yjn-kthmg-pfgmb-2fngg-5c7d7-t6kqg-wi37r-j7gy6-iee64-kjdja-jae  0 -> 1    mn2               1    NEXTDC                    1    San Jose               1    KR       0 -> 1
    rbn2y-6vfsb-gv35j-4cyvy-pzbdu-e5aum-jzjg6-5b4n5-vuguf-ycubq-zae       1    sg3          1 -> 0    Navegalo                  1    Seoul             0 -> 1    RO            1
    sixix-2nyqd-t2k2v-vlsyz-dssko-ls4hl-hyij4-y7mdp-ja6cj-nsmpf-yae       1    tb1               1    Posita.si                 1    Singapore         1 -> 0    SG       1 -> 0
    unqqg-no4b2-vbyad-ytik2-t3vly-3e57q-aje2t-sjb5l-bd4ke-chggn-uqe       1    to1          1 -> 0    Racks Central        1 -> 0    Tbilisi                1    SI            1
    vegae-c4chr-aetfj-7gzuh-c23sx-u2paz-vmvbn-bcage-pu7lu-mptnn-eqe       1    to2          0 -> 1    Tierpoint                 1    Tokyo                  1    US            1
    wdjjk-blh44-lxm74-ojj43-rvgf4-j5rie-nm6xs-xvnuv-j3ptn-25t4v-6ae       1    ty2               1    Yotta                     1    Zurich                 1    ZA            1
                                                                               zh2               1                                                                              

Voted to reject proposal 134571 as this is part of a large batch of non-critical proposals timed such that the voting period clashes with national holidays, thereby allowing insufficient time for an appropriately detailed review to take place.

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Rejected proposal 134571. There’s no time to review this and the 18 other proposals in the same batch properly over Xmas eve, Xmas and Boxing Day. This is a non-critical proposal.

More information and discussion on this thread.

Proposal 134571

Vote: ADOPT

Replaces cordoned nodes amjrq and gs6io with nodes t7ih7 and vn5yd on subnet k44fs.
The reason for this proposal is to offboard SG3 and TO1 DCs consistent with forum posts made on the forum thread used for posts regarding the renovation/sell of Gen-1 node machines by NPs.
Both the NP and DC stated in the forum post and forum post match the ones from the node being removed in the proposal.

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Voted to adopt proposal #134571.

The proposal replaces two cordoned nodes, one healthy Active status node amjrq from the SG3 Data Center in Singapore 3, and cordoned healthy Active status node gs6io from the TO1 Data Center in Toronto 1, with unassigned healthy Awaiting status node t7ih7 from Toronto 2 and with unassigned healthy Awaiting status node vn5yd from Korea, without any change to the decentralization of the subnet.
The motivation makes sense and the provided Forum link included in the summary provides further info, also it can be checked here.

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A new proposal with id 134910 has been submitted, please take a look.

Click here to open proposal details

Replace a node in subnet k44fs

Motivation:
The following nodes in subnet k44fs have been cordoned and need to be removed from the subnet:

Decentralization Nakamoto coefficient changes for subnet k44fs-gm4pv-afozh-rs7zw-cg32n-u7xov-xqyx3-2pw5q-eucnu-cosd4-uqe:

    node_provider: 5.00 -> 5.00    (+0%)
      data_center: 5.00 -> 5.00    (+0%)
data_center_owner: 5.00 -> 5.00    (+0%)
             area: 5.00 -> 5.00    (+0%)
          country: 5.00 -> 5.00    (+0%)

Mean Nakamoto comparison: 5.00 → 5.00 (+0%)

Overall replacement impact: equal decentralization across all features

Details

Nodes removed:

  • pxyu4-nrrqd-w3vmd-egofs-gpia5-tljnw-gtnuv-rueu6-2sxij-24x3x-gqe [health: healthy]

Nodes added:

  • xmg5b-vziyw-6bzii-yfbmt-zll6k-v5bd5-m3ds6-7vdyy-wmnkd-lznvp-jqe [health: healthy]
    node_provider                                                         data_center            data_center_owner         area                   country   
    -------------                                                         -----------            -----------------         ----                   -------   
    6sq7t-knkul-fko6h-xzvnf-ktbvr-jhx7r-hapzr-kjlek-whugy-zt6ip-xqe  1    aw1               1    Africa Data Centres  1    Brussels Capital  1    AU       1
    7a4u2-gevsy-5c5fs-hsgri-n2kdz-dxxwf-btcfp-jykro-l4y7c-7xky2-aqe  1    br1               1    Cloud9               1    Bucuresti         1    BE       1
    7at4h-nhtvt-a4s55-jigss-wr2ha-ysxkn-e6w7x-7ggnm-qd3d5-ry66r-cae  1    bu1               1    Cyxtera              1    Gauteng           1    CA       1
    bvcsg-3od6r-jnydw-eysln-aql7w-td5zn-ay5m6-sibd2-jzojt-anwag-mqe  1    cr1               1    Digital Realty       1    Greater Noida     1    CH       1
    cp5ib-twnmx-h4dvd-isef2-tu44u-kb2ka-fise5-m4hta-hnxoq-k45mm-hqe  1    gn1               1    Equinix              1    Maribor           1    CR       1
    i7dto-bgkj2-xo5dx-cyrb7-zkk5y-q46eh-gz6iq-qkgyc-w4qte-scgtb-6ae  1    jb2               1    Everyware            1    Melbourne         1    GE       1
    ihbuj-erwnc-tkjux-tqtnv-zkoar-uniy2-sk2go-xfpkc-znbb4-seukm-wqe  1    kr1               1    KT                   1    Ontario           1    IN       1
    r3yjn-kthmg-pfgmb-2fngg-5c7d7-t6kqg-wi37r-j7gy6-iee64-kjdja-jae  1    mb1               1    M247                 1    Pennsylvania      1    JP       1
    rbn2y-6vfsb-gv35j-4cyvy-pzbdu-e5aum-jzjg6-5b4n5-vuguf-ycubq-zae  1    mn2               1    NEXTDC               1    San Jose          1    KR       1
    sixix-2nyqd-t2k2v-vlsyz-dssko-ls4hl-hyij4-y7mdp-ja6cj-nsmpf-yae  1    tb1               1    Navegalo             1    Seoul             1    RO       1
    unqqg-no4b2-vbyad-ytik2-t3vly-3e57q-aje2t-sjb5l-bd4ke-chggn-uqe  1    to2               1    Posita.si            1    Tbilisi           1    SI       1
    vegae-c4chr-aetfj-7gzuh-c23sx-u2paz-vmvbn-bcage-pu7lu-mptnn-eqe  1    ty1          0 -> 1    Tierpoint            1    Tokyo             1    US       1
    wdjjk-blh44-lxm74-ojj43-rvgf4-j5rie-nm6xs-xvnuv-j3ptn-25t4v-6ae  1    ty2          1 -> 0    Yotta                1    Zurich            1    ZA       1
                                                                          zh2               1                                                               
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Proposal 134910 Review | LORIMER Known Neuron

VOTE: YES

TLDR: Decentralisation stats remain unchanged. There is a clear public declaration for the cordoned node which is referred to in the proposal summary.

1 cordoned node replaced with a nodes in Japan.

Decentralisation Stats

Subnet node distance stats (distance between any 2 nodes in the subnet) →

Smallest Distance Average Distance Largest Distance
EXISTING 0 km 8028.09 km 16759.085 km
PROPOSED 0 km 8028.09 km 16759.085 km

Subnet characteristic counts →

Continents Countries Data Centers Owners Node Providers Node Operator
EXISTING 5 12 13 13 13 13
PROPOSED 5 12 13 13 13 13

Largest number of nodes with the same characteristic (e.g. continent, country, data center, etc.) →

Continent Country Data Center Owner Node Provider Node Operator
EXISTING 5 2 1 1 1 1
PROPOSED 5 2 1 1 1 1

See here for acceptable limits → Motion 132136

The above subnet information is illustrated below, followed by a node reference table:

Map Description
  • Red marker represents a removed node (transparent center for overlap visibility)
  • Green marker represents an added node
  • Blue marker represents an unchanged node
  • Highlighted patches represent the country the above nodes sit within (red if the country is removed, green if added, otherwise grey)
  • Light grey markers with yellow borders are examples of unassigned nodes that would be viable candidates for joining the subnet according to formal decentralisation coefficients (so this proposal can be viewed in the context of alternative solutions that are not being used)

Node Changes
Action Node Status Continent Country Data Center Owner Node Provider Node Operator
Remove pxyu4 UP :bar_chart: Asia Japan Tokyo 2 (ty2) Equinix Starbase dpt4y
Add xmg5b UNASSIGNED :bar_chart: Asia Japan Tokyo (ty1) Equinix Starbase cqjev
Other Nodes
Node Status Continent Country Data Center Owner Node Provider Node Operator
ztrgw UP :bar_chart: Oceania Australia Melbourne 2 (mn2) NEXTDC Icaria Systems Pty Ltd l5lhp
yh3a6 UP :bar_chart: Europe Belgium Brussels (br1) Digital Realty Allusion mjeqs
vn5yd UP :bar_chart: Europe Belgium Seoul 3 (kr1) KT Pindar Technology Limited iubpe
t7ih7 UP :bar_chart: Americas Canada Toronto 2 (to2) Cyxtera Blockchain Development Labs 4lp6i
gd2vp UP :bar_chart: Europe Switzerland Zurich 2 (zh2) Everyware DFINITY Stiftung xcne4
nbela UP :bar_chart: Americas Costa Rica San José 1 (cr1) Navegalo GeoNodes LLC eqv2i
q3sji UP :bar_chart: Asia Georgia Tbilisi 1 (tb1) Cloud9 George Bassadone yhfy4
ltav6 UP :bar_chart: Asia India Greater Noida 1 (gn1) Yotta ACCUSET SOLUTIONS slaxf
d7dyc UP :bar_chart: Europe Romania Bucharest (bu1) M247 Iancu Aurel c5ssg
wjidr UP :bar_chart: Europe Slovenia Maribor (mb1) Posita.si Fractal Labs AG 3xiew
55qds UP :bar_chart: Americas United States of America (the) Allentown (aw1) Tierpoint Bigger Capital codio
lfque UP :bar_chart: Africa South Africa Gauteng 2 (jb2) Africa Data Centres Karel Frank bm2lc

*This comment references the latest comment in the Subnet Management - General Discussion thread only to generate an automated cross-link from the general thread (to improve topic navigation).


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