He was paid off to make sure NFTs on the IC never worked, never thrived, that ends now.
What a racket!
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Forget Bob, he has been booted out the backdoor!
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Nothing would surprise me at this point. It does feel like the scene has been suppressed for some reason. NFTs are not bumping in general but DGDG has kept them alive here and proven that there in fact is a demand, despite Bob giving up on us.
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Thank goodness, are you guys pushing through a different standard? Would desperately love to be able migrate away from EXTâŚ
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The Charles NFTs are a truly disruptive innovationâthe first AI-generated storybook NFTs on the Internet Computer. Instead of being celebrated as a major milestone for ICP NFTs, they are being overshadowed by a ânon-eventâ caused by a broken indexer that just happens to fail soon after they launch.
Chain of events : A groundbreaking NFT project launches. Instead of the ecosystem rallying around it, the platform that should be displaying ownership fails at the worst possible time. Users experience frustration, loss of trust, and potential financial loss. The momentum of the project is completely disrupted.
This isnât just a minor inconvenienceâit damages confidence in the ICP NFT space. The fact that this âindexer issueâ has been ongoing for three months with no resolution makes it even harder to believe this is just an unfortunate technical delay. If this were truly just a display issue, why hasnât it been urgently fixed, given many users it affects?
We need accountability and transparency. If the issue is real, why has it been allowed to persist for so long? And if itâs not, then we need to ask whether this is incompetence or something worse.
ICP NFTs should be thriving, not struggling with basic functionality failures.
I want to trade them promote them sell them
- read them to my kids - i swaped btc for ckbtc for me to wait months for some indexer excuse run allegedly by some Bob intern ? Noone buys that story anymore
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Just to provide my two cents as a bystander, and an engineer.
The problem is not a simple UI glitch.
There is an aggregation data layer between the raw data (that is safe and owned by the user alone) and the UI. The UI is actually also fine (afaik), but the aggregation layer is not working as expected.
Btw, an aggregation layer is a standard in the web2 world too. This is not the raw data, but an intelligence layer on top. Either to speed up access or to calculate further data based on the raw data. Can be very complex, Iâve built numerous ones and whole âaggregationâ systems during my web2 career. This is NOT trivial.
So there likely is unexpected complexity in the aggregation/ index layer. We must also acknowledge that building on ICP means building on entirely new infrastructure. So instead of using tools like Cassandra, or Elasticsearch on traditional cloud ("L2"s that everyone in web2 and web2.5 use), we must instead build everything from scratch. And itâs tough. Thatâs why sometimes progress is slow. Have to build out the building blocks and this is not a job for an average developer.
I do think @bob11 should be more transparent on the complexity. 3 months for nothing is unacceptable. Need weekly updates on this, essentially. Itâs a live critical bug in the user experience.
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Reached out but never got a result.
The way to MINGA is to give https://dgdg.app/ a massive grant and let him define the standards.
Fund the best people to get the best results. I think at this point he knows the most about NFTs, like if he had an indexer issue or whatever, he wouldnât âput a dev on itâ.
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Hi Donna 
Thank you for the tag
If you are looking for recommendations, we would suggest DGDG.
https://dgdg.app/nfts/collections
Weâve been following their progress since they were called DGastonia. Theyâve been actively working with NFTs for a while and their app is slick and performant.
Theyâve also done a lot of analytics work around the popular NFT collections, so they are acutely aware of the API shortcomings/quirks of the primary older NFT standard EXT with which most collections have been minted.
They are also well placed to use and build on top of the ICRC 7 NFT standard
P.S. Did you know a significant amount of work for EstateDAO and FuelEV also use NFTs?
EstateDAO wrote a single subnet multi canister ICRC 7 NFT minter using Azle. Probably one of the largest Azle codebases thatâs deployed in production. Available here:
Fuel EVs minting platform is also similarly modelled, but a production grade Rust based ICRC 7 NFT minting platform whose codebase is available here:
They have crates and packages that you can use/borrow for your implementation. I imagine the teams would also be happy to collaborate in maintaining a shared library of components for building a scalable NFT minter and marketplace
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Why not use Rust rather than Azle? We wouldnt touch that with a barge pole as performance is incomparable.
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How many NFTs did you need to mint in order to tokenize ?one? car and ?one? apartment that canât be found?
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I hope this is satire. I will never support any solutions or standards related to NFTs coming from you. We need stable, bulletproof solutions made by people who actually understand them. Also credibility & track record are very important in this case. This is not a game, there are creators worldwide who arent willing to put their work at risks of any kind. Thats the very exact same reason why this thread is very important.
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I completely agree with your point.
We have been waiting for years to have a bare minimum and we havent reached that.
It´s not that this has been a charity work⌠we all paid comissions enough to reach this.
I´m receiving dozen of dms from angry and sad collectors who think they are being left out and forgot about. Many of them already left or regret joining the ecosystem for this very same reason.
I´ve tried to remain patient, answer all of these images for years, taking my time and a toll on my own mental health. I know it sounds like a joke, but its not.
We really need a real change. I decided to stop making collections or even try to promote most of them because doesnt make sense to send people to places where they´re getting ignored.
I lack the technical abilities to make this happen. And i never signed up to be a âMarketplaceâ DEV.
I know when things work and when they dont, because for whatever reasons my collections have moved more than 14000 real transactions and i have a real and valuable feedback by thousands of people from all over the world.
In my opinion, we need
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A real standard set in stone.
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A marketplace which works with no issues (everyone understand that can be bugs, but there are minimum standards, and ofc not any of these can be intentional)
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A solid wallet that supports this standard and marketplace.
This is not a lot to ask.
Its the minium.
We should have that already on ICP, and we DON´T.
This is not a patch⌠we need a systemic change that takes people seriously. We are not bots (like many others) but real people.
There are people who actually take NFTs seriously and engage with them in a way that would surprise to all the people who dismiss them.
MINGA.
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Like everything else in computer science, there are tradeoffs. Thereâs no one clear answer.
For bootstrapped dev teams, with a budget of 1-2 devs for writing everything, the smart contract, the frontend and any off-chain APIs required, itâs a SUPERPOWER to be able to write everything in a single language.
In the IC ecosystem, for the above, thereâs 2 contenders, either TypeScript or Rust
Rust is more battle-tested and popular for IC smart contracts. TypeScript is more battle-tested and popular for webapp frontends. For offchain API servers, NodeJS API servers (like Express) has an edge over Rust API servers like Axum
So, as a team, you ask yourself, is this app going to be primarily frontend-heavy or more canister-code heavy and try to make an educated guess.
Back when EstateDAO wrote this, Azle had just come out with their public previews where most of the IC System APIs were being supported and we had a capable TypeScript dev team who was able to use it to build the entire thing, both frontend and canisters using TypeScript.
However, the current Rust based WASM frontend ecosystem has progressed significantly that you can take on the challenge of building production grade webapp frontend using Rust and use Rust to build your entire stack.
Our favourite frontend frameworks are:
- GitHub - leptos-rs/leptos: Build fast web applications with Rust.
- GitHub - DioxusLabs/dioxus: Fullstack app framework for web, desktop, mobile, and more.
True. For compute heavy apps, we wouldnât recommend. Lots of garbage collection overhead last I checked
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I can use assembly language to complete a scam software that plays 100 videos in a loop
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Its incredible they still come up acting like nothing its happening and offering âsolutionsâ for our NFT issues.
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Agreed 100% . I am still waiting if someone from Dfinity team will recognize this issue with Bioniq particularly and step up and interact with Bob/Bioniq and see resolution to this . I also agree its a must to have proper NFT marketplace (dgdg is closest we have something) . Will ignore messages which try to shift narrative from the main topic .
Do you think there is a need someone to be tagged particularly in this thread?
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Thats key. Lets try to not shift the narrative and slowdown with excuses because i already know that movie. And it´s been a looong one.
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ICP NFTâs probably onboarded more people to the ecosystem than anything else, it should have been maintained and considered an integral part of the ecosystem. I know some people donât get NFTâs, and they are just a small part of what ICP can do, but to ignore a whole sector like that was not a wise move as it just created negative sentiment among those involved.
Some of those people would have gone on to develop apps and be users for chat platform and other social media built on ICP.
Instead they went else where.
Yes there were scams and issues, but thats the same in all sectors of the blockchain industry.
Having a fully functioning wallet and market place should be a fundamental concern and if only a tiny fraction of what was spent on failed SNS launches was spent fixing this one small issue we would have a wider reach and happier community.
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This 100%. Many people still dont believe that there is a big percentage of people who have got in touch with this chain thanks to NFTs. So ignoring them is a big mistake. I wonder if there is a way to check how many ICP addresses that are being used normally owns atleast 1 NFT. Many people would be surprised of the results.
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