Mission 70 is now here

Currently we have:
8YG: 151M ICP = 66%
2YG-7YG: 40M ICP = 17%
0.5YG-2YG: 39M ICP = 17%

In the future we would have:
2YG: 191M ICP = 80%
<2YG: 48M ICP = 20%

After the 2 year cap is applied, the number of neurons receiving maximum age bonus will increase from 66% to 80%. Doesn’t this significantly dilute the 8 year gang? I’m presenting staked ICP here because it’s easier and readily available, but the numbers get worse when presented as voting power. Has this been taken into account in the forecasting?

I would much prefer to see a scaled approach to adjusting the dissolve delay of existing neurons (as opposed to a 2 year cap). This idea has been outlined eloquently by @icme in the thread cross posted below…

https://forum.dfinity.org/t/discussion-scaled-dissolve-delay-modification-to-mission70/62627?u=wpb

On the latter topic…
https://forum.dfinity.org/t/discussion-scaled-dissolve-delay-modification-to-mission70/62627/11?u=edsalazar

I put some of my not very well thought out but ardently held ideas (100 year staking, exponential curves, Node Provider markets) into the machine and asked it to tear it to shreds. Some good stuff popped out…I don’t know what thread to put this in so it goes here. I think these are much simpler alternatives and more aligned with the incentives we want to give and community sentiment.

Proposal Sketch: Long-Term Alignment Without Governance Ossification

This is not a fully specified proposal, but a direction for discussion around improving long-term alignment in IC governance and node provider incentives, while preserving adaptability and decentralization.

The core goal is simple: reward credible long-term commitment without locking the network into irreversible assumptions.

It is also based on these assumptions:

  • 2 weeks staking is a secruity nightmare…I’m shocked that it is even being considered.
  • we WANT longterm commitment…why are we killing it?
  • NPs got a sweet deal but its time to make it a market

1. Extend Maximum Staking Duration (With Exit Penalties)

Increase the maximum neuron dissolve delay significantly (e.g. well beyond today’s limits, potentially up to multiple decades).

However:

  • Long-duration neurons must retain an early-exit option
  • Early exits incur a time-dependent penalty (steep early, tapering over time)
  • Penalties are burned or redirected to a neutral pool to avoid perverse incentives

This allows participants to express strong long-term conviction while preserving the system’s ability to adapt if assumptions change.

The objective is not permanent lock-in, but credible commitment with a painful cost to reversal.

2. Endogenous Long-Horizon Rewards Curve

Replace short-term optimized reward dynamics with a smoother curve that rewards patience and long-term alignment.

Key principles:

  • Rewards increase meaningfully with longer dissolve delays
  • No hard dependence on external benchmarks or fiat interest rates
  • Parameters remain adjustable via governance, but change slowly

The intent is to reduce short-term cycling and governance gaming, while keeping issuance policy fully endogenous to the protocol.

3. Subnet Participation: Constraints First, Market Second

Subnet security and decentralization must remain non-negotiable constraints set by the NNS:

  • Geographic diversity
  • Jurisdictional independence
  • Hardware and operational requirements
  • Fault tolerance assumptions

Within those constraints, market mechanisms can be used to allocate limited slots.

Importantly:

  • Markets should operate inside security boundaries, not define them
  • Eligibility is determined by the NNS; allocation is competitive among eligible providers

This preserves adversarial assumptions while allowing price discovery where appropriate.

4. Node Provider Rewards: Baseline + Commitment-Weighted Component

Node provider rewards could be split into:

  • A baseline component in liquid ICP sufficient to cover operating costs across approved regions
  • A variable component that NPs tied to participation in active subnets and long-term commitments - **NPs bid on how much of this reward goes into a VERY LONG HORIZONED neuron.

Rather than raw utilization, variable rewards should emphasize:

  • Reliability and availability
  • Proven operational performance
  • Willingness to accept longer-term reward vesting or delayed liquidity

This avoids incentivizing artificial load while still rewarding durable participation.

Why This Matters

If no participants — stakers or node providers — are willing to make long-term commitments even with reasonable exit options, that signals a deeper confidence problem worth addressing directly.

Conversely, mechanisms that make long-term alignment economically meaningful can shift behavior away from short-term extraction toward:

  • Network reliability
  • Tooling and ecosystem investment
  • Reputation and institutional credibility

The aim is not to force commitment, but to make it rational.

Open Questions (Intentionally Unresolved)

  • What is the right upper bound for meaningful long-term commitment?(I say 100 years signifies “FOREVER”…ICDevs would stake for 100 years…machine says that is dumb and impractical and suggested early exit fees that slacken as you get closer to your commitment)
  • How steep should early-exit penalties be to deter churn without causing bank-run dynamics?
  • Which commitment signals actually correlate with good node provider behavior?(Node providers should be developing software…I know a couple of them either directly or tangentially funded some software, but it hasn’t been clear, public, available, or broad)
  • Where should markets be allowed to operate — and where must they be excluded?

This post is meant to frame those questions, not answer them definitively.

I have a question about the node provider changes. Will Gen1 be finishing their agreed 24 month extension, or this will be implemented before that? A lot of them have probably signed 2 year contracts with data centres when the 24 month extension was agreed. Also, if we are expecting so many Gen1s to offboard, will this still work from a geographic diversification perspective? Gen1s are still the majority of nodes, and most of them are in the US and Europe. A lot of Gen2s were onboarded specifically for geographic diversification and a lot of them are therefore by design outside US/Europe. Has some analysis been done on that?


It seems the whitepaper recognizes the Gen 1 extension that we are paying currently will run out by the end of 2026. It doesn’t sound to me like the 40% reduction would happen before then.

Since it’s not a forced exit, I suspect we will still see enough node providers to maintain geographic diversification in the US and Europe. A 40% reduction for some Gen 1 node providers may be a show stopper because they can’t make the numbers work (high data center contracts, high maintenance contracts, high insurance, loan payments, etc) and for others it will still be profitable enough to continue operations. It will definitely be interesting to learn how many node providers actually close up shop versus switch to cloud engines versus simply accept the lower remuneration.

I would also like to see any analysis that has been done regarding node provider geographic diversification predictions after mission 70 is implemented.

It was very hard to sign those node providers, and I think DFINITY is making a mistake here going with this initiative as is. They will lose goodwill, and I am not sure how big the exit could be.

That is part of the reason I recommended a less aggressive move.

Some humor:
We will find out soon, get the popcorn ready! :popcorn:

Correct. This is not only extremely bad for stakers but also for node providers, trust in this network, reputation, etc. Bad for securing the network, governance, and everything else.

It’s like a forced exit plan in a way!

Actually none of this is humorous unfortunately.

A very bad message to send all stakeholders in this project.

I don’t think I agree with this assumption. The fact is that most Gen 1 node providers have made a lot of money, especially if they were onboarded in the first 4 years. Their equipment should be fully paid off (if they took a loan at all). Some Gen 1 node providers are capable of maintaining their nodes themselves and some have to pay maintenance techs for support. Some are better at negotiating data center contracts or happen to live in locations where their data center costs are less than the national average.

I’m not sure if 40% reduction in remuneration is the right answer, or perhaps just 35% or as high as 45%, but I am confident that 40% will not drive off all node providers. It’s a level where nobody would install new node machines, but they would likely continue running existing node machines.

If they are currently paying for an insurance policy, they could easily decide to drop that policy and run the nodes until they die. Then each node becomes spare parts for the rest. These machines can supposedly run for 15-20 years in a proper environment (stable power, proper temperature control, etc). Many of them have never been placed under high load. By the time this 40% reduction goes into effect, most of these Gen 1 nodes will be in service for 6 years. Most of them have plenty of life left.

Hence, I suspect most node providers will continue running them until they actually start losing money. That price point will be different for each node provider. I do think there will be substantial changes among node providers, but I doubt this amounts to a forced exit for everyone. The reality is that we do have too many Gen 1 nodes. Hence a reduction like this should lead to node providers to make market based decisions on whether they should continue operations. It’s all about what profit level they expect and that shouldn’t be the same for everyone.

Yes, due to lack of demand, we must cut expenses but not all stakeholders are equal imo.

As stated, the Gen1 providers will make due and hopefully enough will still stay.

As for long term stakers and esp. 8 year gangers, we may see a 75% hit on staking rewards for all we know esp. with the short term 2.3% 2-week neurons hitting the scene allowing exchanges / market markers, or whoever else to easily dilute all of us including the liquid stakers. No to mention throwing everyone into the same pool and everyone can simply extend to 8 years before this goes through putting anyone not dissolving into the same category which means throwing all the longest term supporters completely under the bus here. The doubling of the maturity modulation penalty to a full -10% is another stab in the back. Are you all excited Wenzel to lose 50 - 75% of your rewards on your already underwater investment in hopes that DOM actually knows what he’s doing this time and will actually bring us adoption he has been promising for 5 years now?

Yup, basically sums it up.

In case you haven’t seen there is a motion proposal here - Network Nervous System

An NNS motion titled “mission70 Community Vote (Community-led; DFINITY / ICA excluded)” has been submitted to ask the Internet Computer community for a clear position on Mission 70 .

https://forum.dfinity.org/t/mission70-community-vote/62976

As currently proposed, hopefully never!

Hopefully next week!

Im glad 8 year mor**ns did’nt end up sinking the boat.

What a toxic crew.

Do the math. Drop to 2 years so people can exit… its gonna go to ZERO…. I could care less…. Will buy for pennies on the dollar…. While @Jamesallan withdraw 500 worth in 2 years…. Then we send it to the moon. :wink:

This boat wouldn’t be here without the 8 YR gang. You have it all backwards. I think you should call yourself the expletive not us!

Atleast you’re being honest I appreciate that. :heart:

Reads like you don’t have anything staked. Do you have any ability to vote?

Been 2 weeks they released the document and Dfinity or Dw don’t even care to come on the forum and comment, explain. We are totally left in the dark. What a disgrace. A big finger to the community. Unbelievable!

On the contrary. DFINITY provided a lot of responses to community questions and concerns. Then someone from the community offered proposal 140041 and it passed with flying colors. That gave DFINITY permission to proceed as written, so there really isn’t much left to discuss with the community. These are big changes and they take time to implement. The timeline is rolling implementation over the course of this year.