Mission 70 is now here

Mr. Salazar and everyone on this thread,

This is the largest and most important change on the Tokenomic Model of the Internet Computer since Genesis on May 10, 2021.

A quick read of the whitepaper, and my previous knowledge of the current Tokenomic model tells me this new model is better.

So indeed I lean towards supporting DFINITY’s initiative that @dominicwilliams announced on X a few days ago.

I plan to publish here a full analysis of the current tokenomic model, and the new one between today and tomorrow. Stay tuned.

Joseph Hurtado
Developer, Entrepreneur and ICP Staker

You ran out of credits?

LOL, no it’s a 19 page document, I browsed the document only, it looks like a better model than the current one.

Have you read it, and compared to the current model?

It takes time and human work, not tokens and LLM slop.

Is there a way to calculate the effect on inflation if only Genesis, VC, and dfinity Neurons are affected by m70 changes ?

It is not a positive effect on the price. Every single time, they have an opportunity to pump on a news or something new, they do and then , the dump start slowly. Every single time. The price may go to 10 or so, and the dump will follow.

because the VCs who have helped Dom script this disaster know exactly when the marketing is going to start, and when they’re going to take profits.

Welll, the good news is now I know, and I will be dumping too. Between every dump, I accumulate my rewards for the next pump. I am ready now.

Of course, it’s all choreographed. Been around long enough to know how it works. No surprises from @borovan3’s post above either, I’ll be dumping my liquid too GL

If you planned on never dissolving…. You just got royally screwed.

edit: …. only if this goes through of course.

So basically if you’re 8yg and don’t dissolve, you can make 9.625 APY til 2030?

What would APY be thereafter with no dissolve? Is age-bonus still intact with m70 as long as you’re not dissolving, and therefore, you can still leave it indefinitely and still just reap maturity rewards?

True.

As I said at the very beginning of this thread, the Mission 70 paper is actually (and perhaps, unfortunately) two papers in one.

The first part (“supply side” or Tokenomics) and irrespective of whether you agree or not with the figures and strategy (more on this below) has been formulated with rigor. They’ve put effort in looking at the data, working through assumptions, formalizing a mechanic and delivering a proposal anchored in that mechanic. So at the very least no-one can argue there is hand-waving stuff in there.

The second bit (the “demand side”) is IMHO the flaky one. Surprisingly, I must say. Because assumptions that anchor the first part of the document are left here as purely aspirational and hand-wavy. No in-depth analysis of potential market size, competitor landscape, positioning, perceived competitive advantage… no sign of primary research (e.g., focus groups for what they are worth, interviews with demand-side CTOs and procurement heads, even retail users in your key target audience, no psychographics of those users, lots of stuff you could do and are not expensive either to do, in the great scheme of things) complemented by a strong secondary research in the verticals of interest, even a basic SWOT. Nothing. That leaves the mouth empty, so to say.

Result is that you risk folks getting understandably salty, and force you to take the (non-enviable) position of being always “at bat” trying to strike the ball as far away as possible, when this could have been reasonably averted by doing otherwise. And, honestly, you didn’t need to be Einstein to figure that one out. Assumptions will always be challenged, of course, but at the very least you have to be able to hold your ground with hard-woven facts.

When I read (reiterating what I said very early on) things like “DFINITY believes that forthcoming onchain cloud engines… will push the burn rate well beyond this threshold” (and I’m picking this up because it’s a clear example: DFINITY “believes”) you cannot but think this is about hope, not a carefully planned and sized-up target market to carve. My point is that they could have placed more substantiated forward-looking assumptions. There are ways to do that: it’s the bread and butter of market research.

And it can be done: it’s not too late. I really hope they do. That would diffuse much of the pushback I see taking place.

As a friend once told me “when in search of hope I go to church…”

Just my 2c.

Demand is what it is. I think trying to dress up expectations as anything more than what they are wouldn’t have really served any purpose.

The important part of this document is the tokenomics changes, and those by themself stand a good chance of significantly improving demand for the token. Simply holding ICP is more favourable under this new model (or dipping one’s toe in some brief staking). Unfortunately most things in crypto seem to follow price action. We’ve had it the other way around. Good news is that we can come at it from both angles now.

I think these changes will be a catalyst for explosive growth on the IC.

That I disagree: demand is what you “carve for” in a specific vertical, or when attempting to create a new category altogether. It does not pop up as a mushroom. No investor in the realm (at least that I know of) will take a “we think that” or “we believe in that” as a reasonable answer.

If you think of ICP as “exploding” just due to tokenomics then you’re thinking purely of a speculative asset. And although speculation exists in every single asset class in the land, the specifics of ICP means that’s not just it, in fact, it’s not even its most important feature. We’re not talking NFTs or Memecoins here.

My point is it’s irrelevant. The demand will be what it is regardless. I’m glad they didnt’t say ‘we expect no change in demand so mission 70 will be achieved purely be reducing issuance’.

Anyway,

So they developed and launched, e.g. Caffeine, “just because”?

You’ve misread my point. Basically we didn’t need a whitepaper about demand. It was all about the tokenomics (the demand isn’t something we can engineer in the same way). But I agree with the authors in terms of their expectations

Anyway, lets stop arguing and all head over to the mAIner marketplace, grab ourselves some onchain LLM miners and let the IC LLMs hash it out for us.

Burnnnnnnnnn

This is a pattern. Dom and his team build genuinely remarkable technology — the scale of work and time involved is hard to fathom even with a 100+ person team. But when it comes to actually harnessing users — attracting new ones, retaining them, compounding them — it turns into hand-waving. Like a magician summoning smoke to distract from the missing trick.
I’m fully on board with ICP as the backbone of a decentralised world in 2 years, 5 years, 10+ years. But shit, man — get your act together

And this is what makes me pull my hairs when you see the tech stack, how to say, undersold or pursuing bold ideas. $ICP has it all to become, dunno, a $15 billion MarCap coin on tech alone, even a $7 billion one (Avalanche range).

It’s all slowly tilting (and really hope I’m utterly wrong) the way of IOTA and Tezos, when it shouldn’t.

Exactly. It’s the tokenomics that need correcting (along with the price action). The value proposition is already there. It just needs better clothes. We’re like Anne Hathaway in Princess Diaries

Same network, different appeal to the casual passerby.