Governance Centralization Risk from Liquid Staking Design

this is a great idea, seems simple but should get the job done.

I personally am skeptical about WTN team and their DAO proposals - the way they tried to sneak in 84 nodes to the network without any justification. Red flags too red to ignore.

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The guy you paid to spam the network? Great source

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Nodes have nothing to do with wtn.

As you state in other threads. Keep the conversations on topic.

Hope you have gave this a read very interesting

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If anyone wants link to the proposals, here it is:

https://dashboard.internetcomputer.org/proposal/136212

As you can see, Wenzel / Synapse have voted yes and gave their seal of approval

They got rejected by DFINITY Foundation after the proposal was questioned publicly.

Why is it a problem? Because they did not even bother announcing it on their socials.

It’s more speculation of someone supporting sns sales lol.

Aren’t you the one wanting to keep threads on topic?

This is clearly not related to wtn dao.

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Synapse doesn’t vote independently on this proposal topic. They follow CodeGov and the reviewers for CodeGov reached consensus that this proposal met all the criteria. I follow the CodeGov neuron with my personal neuron on this proposal topic.

It should be noted that every known neuron with a hint of credibility on this topic voted to ADOPT this proposal except DFINITY, who did not provide an explanation for their REJECT vote. The reason is still unknown. They want clarification on some details in the proposal, which I understand is being discussed. I’m sure we will see a re-submission once the details are clarified to their satisfaction. Almost all other known neurons voted to REJECT because they follow DFINITY on this topic.

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  1. You created synapse neuron, so its not “they” it becomes “us” when you say it
  2. The first page of named neurons did not vote at all, except synapse. I think others can judge the credibility themselves when they are presented with full context and not cherry picked data
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Idk man, it seems like your beef with wenzel is personal and has nothing to do with the topic here.

You should create a new thread for your conversation about nodes.

You can spin it however you want, but the fact is that our voting members make the decisions on who we follow. This is explained on our website at synapse.vote. I agree that I was the person who organized everyone when the known neuron was founded and I have held an administrative role ever since. Hence, I recruit new members as needed and track voting to make sure the neuron always votes. If you think that means I control everyone, then I can’t help you. You are certainly welcome to ask any of our voting members if they are being controlled in any way. You can even track individual votes of our voting members since a requirement is that their neuron IDs are Public and we publish them on our website. Anyone who does this would know that we do not vote together and the Synapse vote is always cast according to the majority decision of our Followees. Anyway, if this setup is unacceptable to you, then you definitely should not follow the Synapse neuron. Nobody from Synapse has ever asked for your follow and you are certainly free to choose anyone else you want to follow.

You are kind of showing your lack of knowledge of how the known neurons are displayed. It makes no difference that the first page had all no votes except Synapse. I already explained that these neurons are following DFINITY. My point was that there are many neurons that care about technical topics like this one and vote independently. They have different levels of credibility on this specific topic, but they are all credible. My screen capture was cherry picked to show how these credible neurons voted.


Hey @volibear you created your identity only 5 days ago, but seem to have some historical knowledge and an agenda. Do you mind sharing who you are more commonly known to be in this ecosystem? Did you create a new identity because your old identity was suspended on the forum for not being able to comply with the forum rules? It would be nice to know who we are talking to here.

All accusations disproven…

How do we get past this fighting? Let’s just be friends again.

Disproven how exactly…? @ysyms just listed the things that happened here. I am glad that everyone has started noticing it now

I have context, knowledge, expertise and free will

I am glad you can see the tip of the iceberg, still my identity has nothing to do with your actions or this topic.

btw DFINITY thinks I’m the new user of the month

Anyways Waterneuron team trying to sneak in 84 nodes and the inherently centralized dapp design is still a risk to the network, which is the topic of this thread