I thought the Caffeine demo was impressive, but I am still not sure about its potential. Kicking off a thread to gauge community responses.
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Reserving judgement until I get an access code. Or public access whichever comes first! Cant wait to get my hands on it.
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Looks useful, quite impressive. But as mentioned above Iâll be reserving full judgement until I can actually try and build something with it. Was too late for first round of early access, so patiently waiting for lift off on Caffeine.
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I suppose its like seeing car in an auto show and seeing a commercial of someone driving it.Looks impressive but the public needs to get its hand on it.
It was truly impressive.
I believe that whatâs even better than building with it is building together with it.
I really hope it will have the capability to communicate with other canisters, like plugins.
I see no limits. Iâm already planning to build solutions that integrate with Caffeine.
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I just donât really get it
It seems like a thing to demo and playing around but are people going to use this for serious applications? Wouldnât they use something from an AI focused company if they want AI coding
Also its pitched as it will be a self writing internet. If that were the case there would be other AI companies that would have something even close to writing serious applications in Web2
I donât really get this focus vs getting a more mature ecosystem with useful canisters that average people use
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Iâm not very impressed.
No clear demo of lossless updates of dapps
Nothing about backend, LLMs used, etc.
Nothing about new dev stack for AI on IC
The frontend stuff is not new, its months old
The II integration was cool, was hoping for that
Did not show any Motoko code
Chat to spec to code is nice
In all honesty, Iâm not impressed by Dfinity this time. Donât fet me wrong, Im a huge fan. But AI competition moves fast and soon users will have various tools to build with no code on platforms with more and cheaper resources than IC.
Dfinity has been quite, but are they really going to deliver something that can compete? Itâs an open question.
Personally, like many, I would test the thing extensivly to push its bounderies.
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Nothing about dapp store
Nothing about cycles to deploy
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And sorry, but I have to say:
As much respect and gratitude I have for Dom and Dfinity, Dominic lacks that âtech salesmanshipâ that we really need now. I donât mean dishonesty or overhyping, but an important communication skill is missing in Dfinity PR.
I will consider sharing more on this soon if it is well received
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Are you saying that using AI to help build an application is pointless?
Is it really better to write 1,000 lines of code by hand instead of generating them with a simple 3-line prompt?
I just donât get it. How does having an AI like Caffeine write code for you take away from building useful canisters?
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I think in the limit this is probably what we want. Regardless of the level of app complexity you can write, it will be nice to see everyone chatting with AI and burning cycles. This will allow a new segment of the population to just experiment with ideas they have. I doubt it will be perfect to start, but over time both tooling on the AI and on the infrastructure will get better. I think launching beta is important to get feedback and improve the product.
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There is no reason not to be impress. This will bring in more builders and users to the network. Sure you can already write code with AI but that was never the point. Its refreshing to see something thatâs not about transaction per second/defi/NFT.
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Not at all, but why would i use caffeine if I already use the best models in my own development environment, coding in whatever language
I use AI on the daily for my code but not sure why i need this
Maybe it could be a bit now specific to IC/Motoko but would need to keep up with the best competing software for me to use it
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Are you even building things on ICP?
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People who understand whats the difference with web 2 and web 3 wont say that caffeineAi is the same as all the web 2 code generating stuff.
With web 2 you are managing clumsy databases and you have to worry about security of the users data. With ICP the idea is to eliminate these issues and to quickly and easily deploy web 3 daps on the IC, which will add exponential growth to the CBR rate which adds value to the network.
Even if you have to deploy a simple static website on web 2 its still going to take you at least an hour (if you are experienced) and you have to set up alot of stuff. With caffeineAi you will be able to do that in seconds/ minutes.
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n fact, if youâre a developer, you can code in any language, choose your AI model, and deploy the canisters yourself. But the truth is, thatâs not the case for most people.
Even for developers, the demo makes it clear how convenient it is to manage multiple projects at once. Personally, Iâd rather sketch an application in Caffeine and then import the code to work on it locally.
Is there any competing software offering something similar? Just the fact that most alternatives require cloud hostingâwith personal information and a credit cardâmakes them far less appealing. And even if youâre okay with that, youâre usually limited to building simple websites.
Sure, Caffeine is still early in development, but the demo already shows built-in authentication. It seems likely that integrating with the backend will become much easier using this platform.
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Caffeine AI is not on-chain, no cycles burning. Unless you are building a compute intensive dapp you will likely burn very little cycles from any website you generate.
Caffeine isnât really for the devâs out there. Sure it can produce some boiler plate and show you how âDfinityâ would build it but if you are a dev already then you can likely build the same or better yourself.
From what I can gather, Caffeine is about targeting all the non-devs out there and empowering them to build websites for IC.
Until I get to try and build something with it I will reserve full judgement. I hope it can do Rust backend and any frontend framework you tell it too - Svelte, React possibly even Angular.
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I thought it was impressive - letâs hope that it will broaden the appeal of the IC to a wider user base as I think this is still a significant issue.
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