# Technical Working Group: Node Providers **URL:** \ **Category:** Developers\ **Tags:** community-consideration, node-provider\ **Created:** [May 2, 2024, 7:34pm UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/technical-working-group-node-providers/30255 "2024-05-02T19:34:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![louisevelayo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.dfinity.org/louisevelayo/32/15947_2.png) [@louisevelayo](https://forum.dfinity.org/u/louisevelayo)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 8:46am UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/technical-working-group-node-providers/30255/22 "2024-08-20T08:46:37Z")
👋 Hi everyone, Thank you to all who participated in the last working group meeting. You can find the recording, minutes, and slides in this [folder](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1HYdC7Rm_FHnHDjIRbraM_HKQxVkmy-SB?usp=drive_link). Our next working group meeting will be on September 16th at 4pm CET. Please use the link below to add this event to your calendar. Thank you all, and I look forward to seeing you at the next meeting. 🧹 **Housekeeping:** - [Add NP WG meetings to your calendar](https://calendar.google.com/calendar/event?action=TEMPLATE&tmeid=MTNhZDJlNTI0MzZhNGUwZDk1ZjBhMDFjYjlkYjllOWJfMjAyNDA5MTZUMTQwMDAwWiBjXzMwYTFhMGEyNjg1ZDMyMzMwMjRmMmU3ZWM1ZjllMDkwN2JmNDJlMDkxMmNhZTkzYWVhMzZhOGQzOTE3MjE0ZTBAZw&tmsrc=c_30a1a0a2685d3233024f2e7ec5f9e0907bf42e0912cae93aea36a8d3917214e0%40group.calendar.google.com&scp=ALL). - [Join the Matrix channel.](https://matrix.to/#/#ic-node-provider-working-group:matrix.org) ---
**Author:** ![louisevelayo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.dfinity.org/louisevelayo/32/15947_2.png) [@louisevelayo](https://forum.dfinity.org/u/louisevelayo)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2024, 2:51am UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/technical-working-group-node-providers/30255/23 "2024-09-09T02:51:21Z")
👋 Hi everyone, Sharing the agenda for the next NPWG on September 16th at 4pm CET. You can view it [here](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1laVtbhrKvAskyoAUc72hkFf8-CE5eWJJqWGX4-h0zMs/edit?usp=sharing). I would like to highlight that in this meeting, @bjoernek and @pietrodimarco will be giving us a first look at a PoC dApp that reports on node performance. As some of you may recall, this marks phase 1 towards performance-based penalties for underperforming nodes. We will also be continuing the discussion on node audits. Thanks and see you next week! 🧹 **Housekeeping:** - [Add NP WG meetings to your calendar](https://calendar.google.com/calendar/event?action=TEMPLATE&tmeid=MTNhZDJlNTI0MzZhNGUwZDk1ZjBhMDFjYjlkYjllOWJfMjAyNDA5MTZUMTQwMDAwWiBjXzMwYTFhMGEyNjg1ZDMyMzMwMjRmMmU3ZWM1ZjllMDkwN2JmNDJlMDkxMmNhZTkzYWVhMzZhOGQzOTE3MjE0ZTBAZw&tmsrc=c_30a1a0a2685d3233024f2e7ec5f9e0907bf42e0912cae93aea36a8d3917214e0%40group.calendar.google.com&scp=ALL). - [Join the Matrix channel.](https://matrix.to/#/#ic-node-provider-working-group:matrix.org) ---
**Author:** ![bjoernek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.dfinity.org/bjoernek/32/14583_2.png) [@bjoernek](https://forum.dfinity.org/u/bjoernek)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2024, 2:54pm UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/technical-working-group-node-providers/30255/24 "2024-09-16T14:54:11Z")
Hi all, today we presented a draft approach and tooling for performance based node rewards in the node provider working group. More details on this can be found [here](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/performance-adjusted-node-rewards/35208). ---
**Author:** ![louisevelayo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.dfinity.org/louisevelayo/32/15947_2.png) [@louisevelayo](https://forum.dfinity.org/u/louisevelayo)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2024, 1:08am UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/technical-working-group-node-providers/30255/25 "2024-09-17T01:08:03Z")
Hi everyone! Thanks for joining the NP WG meeting yesterday. And special thanks to @bjoernek and @pietrodimarco for the presentation and demo. You can find all the materials (meeting minutes, chat transcript and meeting recording) in this [folder](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1iXV5ZZQGtz78vYh8STcpDlT17at-wIax?usp=drive_link). **Next meeting is on October 21st.** Click [here](https://calendar.google.com/calendar/event?action=TEMPLATE&tmeid=MTNhZDJlNTI0MzZhNGUwZDk1ZjBhMDFjYjlkYjllOWJfMjAyNDEwMjFUMTQwMDAwWiBjXzMwYTFhMGEyNjg1ZDMyMzMwMjRmMmU3ZWM1ZjllMDkwN2JmNDJlMDkxMmNhZTkzYWVhMzZhOGQzOTE3MjE0ZTBAZw&tmsrc=c_30a1a0a2685d3233024f2e7ec5f9e0907bf42e0912cae93aea36a8d3917214e0%40group.calendar.google.com&scp=ALL) to add it to your agenda. Before then, it would be great if those intending to participate could use the provided criteria to audit their own data centers and input findings into a shared [Google Sheet](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qA0QMAG5ROUSEPsGBwZKoynVeX1Ct55il9ccrEI-NhU/edit?usp=sharing). Thanks everyone! 🧹 **Housekeeping:** - [Add NP WG meetings to your calendar](https://calendar.google.com/calendar/event?action=TEMPLATE&tmeid=MTNhZDJlNTI0MzZhNGUwZDk1ZjBhMDFjYjlkYjllOWJfMjAyNDA5MTZUMTQwMDAwWiBjXzMwYTFhMGEyNjg1ZDMyMzMwMjRmMmU3ZWM1ZjllMDkwN2JmNDJlMDkxMmNhZTkzYWVhMzZhOGQzOTE3MjE0ZTBAZw&tmsrc=c_30a1a0a2685d3233024f2e7ec5f9e0907bf42e0912cae93aea36a8d3917214e0%40group.calendar.google.com&scp=ALL). - [Join the Matrix channel.](https://matrix.to/#/#ic-node-provider-working-group:matrix.org) ---
**Author:** ![lastmjs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.dfinity.org/lastmjs/32/3406_2.png) [@lastmjs](https://forum.dfinity.org/u/lastmjs)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2024, 3:20am UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/technical-working-group-node-providers/30255/26 "2024-09-17T03:20:17Z")
I would like to propose a topic for discussion. The NNS is currently a very simple pure liquid democracy based only on token balances. This design leaves A LOT to be desired. One of its main weaknesses IMO is the lack of checks and balances. The system easily allows one entity to gain and wield complete write access to the protocol, as DFINITY currently does. This should not be allowed by the protocol, no matter if people want to follow a neuron to that extent. It is dangerous and antithetical to decentralized governance. So, as one of my proposed checks and balances, I would like to explore a role for node operators to play as a check on centralized control. Having different entities with different roles in ICP and the NNS may provide robust checks and balances that could lead to a more resilient network. I don’t know exactly what this looks like, I just want to open the discussion. ---
**Author:** ![dfisher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4da419/32.png) [@dfisher](https://forum.dfinity.org/u/dfisher)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2024, 7:26am UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/technical-working-group-node-providers/30255/27 "2024-09-17T07:26:05Z")
I am a node provider. I am not technical. I would not know how to perform this role. Most other NPs are in my position I think. Why would you want NPs to perform a highly technical role? ---
**Author:** ![ZackDS](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.dfinity.org/zackds/32/40368_2.png) [@ZackDS](https://forum.dfinity.org/u/ZackDS)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2024, 12:38pm UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/technical-working-group-node-providers/30255/28 "2024-09-17T12:38:41Z")
This is an interesting idea to say the least, as far as I know even as I write this there is still work being done in tooling as an effort to improve decentralization of the network, but this is only on a hardware per location level, so back to what you are proposing is a way for node operators to have a role in order to approve or reject different changes to the core protocol if I understand it correctly ? ---
**Author:** ![lastmjs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.dfinity.org/lastmjs/32/3406_2.png) [@lastmjs](https://forum.dfinity.org/u/lastmjs)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 1:59pm UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/technical-working-group-node-providers/30255/29 "2024-09-18T13:59:56Z")
> [@dfisher](#): > > Why would you want NPs to perform a highly technical role? I want node providers to perform a vital role, whatever that entails. Also the idea that being a node provider shouldn’t be a technical role doesn’t sound correct to me, something seems wrong about that. Also providing node operators with a new role doesn’t have to introduce technical complexity. Imagine node operators are provided with veto power for example, perhaps requiring a 2/3 consensus across all subnets are something like that. I think a key question is: what protection do we have in the NNS against a single entity with majority voting power? ---
**Author:** ![dfisher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4da419/32.png) [@dfisher](https://forum.dfinity.org/u/dfisher)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 2:29pm UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/technical-working-group-node-providers/30255/30 "2024-09-18T14:29:48Z")
To be a NP does require technical chops, but most NPs outsource this service to someone that is qualified to handle data centers. So you have a couple of layers - 1) an entity that takes a risk and invests in servers, and 2) service provider handling the complexities of being a NP. You could imagine giving NPs more power, but then ultimately it may end up in the hands of the service providers. ---
**Author:** ![louisevelayo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.dfinity.org/louisevelayo/32/15947_2.png) [@louisevelayo](https://forum.dfinity.org/u/louisevelayo)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 2:52am UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/technical-working-group-node-providers/30255/31 "2024-10-01T02:52:38Z")
Hi all, The next NP WG meeting will be on the 28th of October instead! Node Provider Working Group Monday, October 28 · 10:00 – 11:00pm Time zone: Asia/Bangkok Google Meet joining info Video call link: [https://meet.google.com/xcj-quvk-pes](https://meet.google.com/xcj-quvk-pes) Or dial: ‪(TH) +66 2 844 9331‬ PIN: ‪514 908 306 8757‬# More phone numbers: [https://tel.meet/xcj-quvk-pes?pin=5149083068757](https://tel.meet/xcj-quvk-pes?pin=5149083068757) Just as a reminder or what was discussed in the last meeting - it would be great if those intending to participate could use the provided criteria to audit their own data centers and input findings into a shared [Google Sheet](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qA0QMAG5ROUSEPsGBwZKoynVeX1Ct55il9ccrEI-NhU/edit?usp=sharing). Thanks all! ---
**Author:** ![louisevelayo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.dfinity.org/louisevelayo/32/15947_2.png) [@louisevelayo](https://forum.dfinity.org/u/louisevelayo)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 3:58am UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/technical-working-group-node-providers/30255/32 "2024-10-28T03:58:33Z")
Hi everyone, just a little reminder that the next NP WG meeting will be later today - Monday at 4pm CET. Incase you don’t have it, here is the details for the call: Node Provider Working Group Monday, October 28 · 10:00 – 11:00pm Time zone: Asia/Bangkok Google Meet joining info Video call link: [https://meet.google.com/xcj-quvk-pes](https://meet.google.com/xcj-quvk-pes) Or dial: ‪(TH) +66 2 844 9331‬ PIN: ‪514 908 306 8757‬# More phone numbers: [https://tel.meet/xcj-quvk-pes?pin=5149083068757](https://tel.meet/xcj-quvk-pes?pin=5149083068757) You can view the agenda [here](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G1j1lmXb4dd7gseziH12T7AjQnEMH20d8f2zxgFZLe8/edit?usp=sharing)! Looking forward to seeing you there ---
**Author:** ![louisevelayo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.dfinity.org/louisevelayo/32/15947_2.png) [@louisevelayo](https://forum.dfinity.org/u/louisevelayo)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2024, 7:15am UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/technical-working-group-node-providers/30255/33 "2024-11-09T07:15:00Z")
Hi all, The next Node Provider working group meeting will be taking place on the **25th of November at 4pm CET**. You can use this [link](https://meet.google.com/xcj-quvk-pes) to join the call. Here is a preview of the agenda: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/uploads/dfn/original/3X/b/d/bdb35c4b7f51cd829c8eff6c07a02de72b62c104.png) Please note that this may change slightly as we get closer to the date, but for now, the main topics to be discussed are [performance based rewards](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/performance-based-node-rewards/35208) and node audits. Regarding the node audits, if you intend to participate, please fill in this [sheet](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qA0QMAG5ROUSEPsGBwZKoynVeX1Ct55il9ccrEI-NhU/edit?usp=sharing) about your data centers before the start of the next meeting. Thanks everyone! 🧹 **Housekeeping:** If you intend to follow these working group meetings, then it would be best if you - [Add NP WG meetings to your calendar](https://calendar.google.com/calendar/event?action=TEMPLATE&tmeid=MTNhZDJlNTI0MzZhNGUwZDk1ZjBhMDFjYjlkYjllOWJfMjAyNDA5MTZUMTQwMDAwWiBjXzMwYTFhMGEyNjg1ZDMyMzMwMjRmMmU3ZWM1ZjllMDkwN2JmNDJlMDkxMmNhZTkzYWVhMzZhOGQzOTE3MjE0ZTBAZw&tmsrc=c_30a1a0a2685d3233024f2e7ec5f9e0907bf42e0912cae93aea36a8d3917214e0%40group.calendar.google.com&scp=ALL). - [Join the Matrix channel.](https://matrix.to/#/#ic-node-provider-working-group:matrix.org) ---
**Author:** ![wpb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.dfinity.org/wpb/32/39944_2.png) [@wpb](https://forum.dfinity.org/u/wpb)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2024, 1:11am UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/technical-working-group-node-providers/30255/34 "2024-11-24T01:11:53Z")
> [@louisevelayo](#): > > [Add NP WG meetings to your calendar](https://calendar.google.com/calendar/event?action=TEMPLATE&tmeid=MTNhZDJlNTI0MzZhNGUwZDk1ZjBhMDFjYjlkYjllOWJfMjAyNDA5MTZUMTQwMDAwWiBjXzMwYTFhMGEyNjg1ZDMyMzMwMjRmMmU3ZWM1ZjllMDkwN2JmNDJlMDkxMmNhZTkzYWVhMzZhOGQzOTE3MjE0ZTBAZw&tmsrc=c_30a1a0a2685d3233024f2e7ec5f9e0907bf42e0912cae93aea36a8d3917214e0%40group.calendar.google.com&scp=ALL). @louisevelayo this link doesn’t seem to be working. ---
**Author:** ![louisevelayo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.dfinity.org/louisevelayo/32/15947_2.png) [@louisevelayo](https://forum.dfinity.org/u/louisevelayo)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2024, 12:28pm UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/technical-working-group-node-providers/30255/35 "2024-11-26T12:28:27Z")
Hi all 👋 Thank for joining yesterday’s meeting! You can access the meeting recording, chat transcript, the meeting minutes and the presentation slides [here](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1_t3OzM46XVJ1BLuId5e4Bv_OqLxs1kA3?usp=drive_link). Special thanks to @bjoernek and @pietrodimarco for their informative presentation and demo 🙏 **Additional Resources:** - [Add Meeting Dates to Your Calendar](https://calendar.google.com/calendar/event?action=TEMPLATE&tmeid=YjJkNDBlMzNlZjM5NGFiYWE3OGRiZDM0ZGIxNDBjZWRfMjAyNDExMjVUMTUwMDAwWiBjXzMwYTFhMGEyNjg1ZDMyMzMwMjRmMmU3ZWM1ZjllMDkwN2JmNDJlMDkxMmNhZTkzYWVhMzZhOGQzOTE3MjE0ZTBAZw&tmsrc=c_30a1a0a2685d3233024f2e7ec5f9e0907bf42e0912cae93aea36a8d3917214e0%40group.calendar.google.com&scp=ALL) - [Join the Matrix Group Chat](https://matrix.to/#/#ic-node-provider-working-group:matrix.org) - [Folder for all Node Provider Working Group Resources](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1mP57gqsCgzOsGAAUt_4rCJJ-GBfcduJ5?usp=drive_link) Thank you for your participation. Looking forward to the next one 🚀 ---
**Author:** ![louisevelayo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.dfinity.org/louisevelayo/32/15947_2.png) [@louisevelayo](https://forum.dfinity.org/u/louisevelayo)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2024, 12:30pm UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/technical-working-group-node-providers/30255/36 "2024-11-26T12:30:05Z")
Hi @wpb I updated the link. Let me know if this works! If not, let’s chat on Element to try to resolve the issue 😃 ---
**Author:** ![louisevelayo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.dfinity.org/louisevelayo/32/15947_2.png) [@louisevelayo](https://forum.dfinity.org/u/louisevelayo)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 6:10am UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/technical-working-group-node-providers/30255/37 "2024-12-03T06:10:19Z")
Hey all 👋 The next meeting will be taking place on the **16th of December at 4pm CET** - this is a week earlier than usual just to avoid the overlap with the holidays. On the agenda will be another segment on performance based remuneration from @bjoernek and @pietrodimarco! See you there 🚀 **Meeting details:** Node Provider Working Group Monday, December 16 · 10:00 – 11:00pm Time zone: Asia/Bangkok Google Meet joining info Video call link: [https://meet.google.com/xcj-quvk-pes](https://meet.google.com/xcj-quvk-pes) Or dial: ‪(TH) +66 2 844 9331‬ PIN: ‪514 908 306 8757‬# More phone numbers: [https://tel.meet/xcj-quvk-pes?pin=5149083068757](https://tel.meet/xcj-quvk-pes?pin=5149083068757) **🧹 Housekeeping:** - [Add Meeting Dates to Your Calendar](https://calendar.google.com/calendar/event?action=TEMPLATE&tmeid=YjJkNDBlMzNlZjM5NGFiYWE3OGRiZDM0ZGIxNDBjZWRfMjAyNDExMjVUMTUwMDAwWiBjXzMwYTFhMGEyNjg1ZDMyMzMwMjRmMmU3ZWM1ZjllMDkwN2JmNDJlMDkxMmNhZTkzYWVhMzZhOGQzOTE3MjE0ZTBAZw&tmsrc=c_30a1a0a2685d3233024f2e7ec5f9e0907bf42e0912cae93aea36a8d3917214e0%40group.calendar.google.com&scp=ALL) - [Join the Matrix Group Chat](https://matrix.to/#/#ic-node-provider-working-group:matrix.org) - [Folder for all Node Provider Working Group Resources](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1mP57gqsCgzOsGAAUt_4rCJJ-GBfcduJ5?usp=drive_link) ---
**Author:** ![louisevelayo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.dfinity.org/louisevelayo/32/15947_2.png) [@louisevelayo](https://forum.dfinity.org/u/louisevelayo)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2024, 8:34am UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/technical-working-group-node-providers/30255/38 "2024-12-18T08:34:21Z")
Hi all 👋 Thank for joining the last NP WG meeting of the year! You can access the meeting recording, chat transcript, the meeting minutes and the presentation slides [here](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1C5jqmph0OqtO_DvCf0_X3hMQCUK7NLjT?usp=drive_link). Special thanks to @pietrodimarco for the detailed presentation and demo 🙏 ⚠ A couple of action items for the community: 1. Play around with the [tool](https://hucfy-dyaaa-aaaam-ac37a-cai.icp0.io/nodes) and provide feedback. 2. Review this [forum post](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/performance-based-node-rewards/35208/33) and provide any feedback. The goal is to conclude whether the extrapolation of performance should be applied to all nodes of an NP, or to make it even more granular to all nodes of the NP in the same DC. **Additional Resources:** - [Add Meeting Dates to Your Calendar](https://calendar.google.com/calendar/event?action=TEMPLATE&tmeid=YjJkNDBlMzNlZjM5NGFiYWE3OGRiZDM0ZGIxNDBjZWRfMjAyNDExMjVUMTUwMDAwWiBjXzMwYTFhMGEyNjg1ZDMyMzMwMjRmMmU3ZWM1ZjllMDkwN2JmNDJlMDkxMmNhZTkzYWVhMzZhOGQzOTE3MjE0ZTBAZw&tmsrc=c_30a1a0a2685d3233024f2e7ec5f9e0907bf42e0912cae93aea36a8d3917214e0%40group.calendar.google.com&scp=ALL) - [Join the Matrix Group Chat](https://matrix.to/#/#ic-node-provider-working-group:matrix.org) - [Folder for all Node Provider Working Group Resources](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1mP57gqsCgzOsGAAUt_4rCJJ-GBfcduJ5?usp=drive_link) Thank you all for your participation through out the year. Expect these meetings to continue in February. I will post announcement with the exact date. Until then, wishing everyone a very festive season and a happy new year ♾ 🎆 🎅 ! ---
**Author:** ![louisevelayo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.dfinity.org/louisevelayo/32/15947_2.png) [@louisevelayo](https://forum.dfinity.org/u/louisevelayo)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 6:35am UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/technical-working-group-node-providers/30255/39 "2025-02-19T06:35:34Z")
Hi everyone! After a short break, the monthly NP WG meetings are back. The next one will be on Monday 24th of February, at 4pm CET. On the agenda for next week: - Initial analysis of node geo-monitoring using RIPE Atlas (@alexu - DFINITY) - Short implementation update on performance based node rewards (@sat - DFINITY) Looking forward to seeing you soon! * * * **Meeting Details** > Node Provider Working Group > Monday, February 24 · 10:00 – 11:00pm > Time zone: Asia/Bangkok > Google Meet joining info > Video call link: [https://meet.google.com/xcj-quvk-pes](https://meet.google.com/xcj-quvk-pes) > Or dial: ‪(TH) +66 2 844 9331‬ PIN: ‪514 908 306 8757‬# > More phone numbers: [https://tel.meet/xcj-quvk-pes?pin=5149083068757](https://tel.meet/xcj-quvk-pes?pin=5149083068757) * * * **Additional Resources:** > 📅 [Add NPWG meetings to calendar](https://calendar.google.com/calendar/event?action=TEMPLATE&tmeid=YjJkNDBlMzNlZjM5NGFiYWE3OGRiZDM0ZGIxNDBjZWRfMjAyNTAyMjRUMTUwMDAwWiBjXzMwYTFhMGEyNjg1ZDMyMzMwMjRmMmU3ZWM1ZjllMDkwN2JmNDJlMDkxMmNhZTkzYWVhMzZhOGQzOTE3MjE0ZTBAZw&tmsrc=c_30a1a0a2685d3233024f2e7ec5f9e0907bf42e0912cae93aea36a8d3917214e0%40group.calendar.google.com&scp=ALL) > 🗣 [Join the Matrix Group Chat](https://matrix.to/#/#ic-node-provider-working-group:matrix.org) > 📁 [Folder for all Node Provider Working Group Resources](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1mP57gqsCgzOsGAAUt_4rCJJ-GBfcduJ5?usp=drive_link) ---
**Author:** ![louisevelayo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.dfinity.org/louisevelayo/32/15947_2.png) [@louisevelayo](https://forum.dfinity.org/u/louisevelayo)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2025, 7:46am UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/technical-working-group-node-providers/30255/40 "2025-03-01T07:46:52Z")
Hi everyone! Thanks for joining the last Node Provider working group meeting. Please find the slides from all presenters as well as the minutes and recording of the session [here](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1v1VnRVjIoDxpcur3rDX9DB2z_37LH8p5?usp=drive_link). The next meeting will be on the 24th of March at 4pm CET. I’ll post the agenda closer to that date! Hope to see you there 🙏 * * * **Meeting Details** > Node Provider Working Group > Monday, March 24 · 10:00 – 11:00pm > Time zone: Asia/Bangkok > Google Meet joining info > Video call link: [https://meet.google.com/xcj-quvk-pes](https://meet.google.com/xcj-quvk-pes) > Or dial: ‪(TH) +66 2 844 9331‬ PIN: ‪514 908 306 8757‬# > More phone numbers: [https://tel.meet/xcj-quvk-pes?pin=5149083068757](https://tel.meet/xcj-quvk-pes?pin=5149083068757) * * * **Additional Resources:** > 📅 [Add NPWG meetings to calendar](https://calendar.google.com/calendar/event?action=TEMPLATE&tmeid=YjJkNDBlMzNlZjM5NGFiYWE3OGRiZDM0ZGIxNDBjZWRfMjAyNTAyMjRUMTUwMDAwWiBjXzMwYTFhMGEyNjg1ZDMyMzMwMjRmMmU3ZWM1ZjllMDkwN2JmNDJlMDkxMmNhZTkzYWVhMzZhOGQzOTE3MjE0ZTBAZw&tmsrc=c_30a1a0a2685d3233024f2e7ec5f9e0907bf42e0912cae93aea36a8d3917214e0%40group.calendar.google.com&scp=ALL) > 🗣 [Join the Matrix Group Chat](https://matrix.to/#/#ic-node-provider-working-group:matrix.org) > 📁 [Folder for all Node Provider Working Group Resources](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1mP57gqsCgzOsGAAUt_4rCJJ-GBfcduJ5?usp=drive_link) ---
**Author:** ![Lorimer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forum.dfinity.org/lorimer/32/17601_2.png) [@Lorimer](https://forum.dfinity.org/u/Lorimer)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 8:39am UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/technical-working-group-node-providers/30255/41 "2025-03-05T08:39:44Z")
> [@louisevelayo](#): > > I’ll post the agenda closer to that date! May I humbly suggest → > [@SYBILing nodes! scream Exploiting IC Network... Community Attention Required!](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/sybiling-nodes-exploiting-ic-network-community-attention-required/40690/52): > > **I would suggest that we urgently need an initiative that does the following things** : > > - **Node Provider consolidation** > - Node Providers that have multiplied their presence on the IC under multiple NP entities should be collapsed into a single Node Provider (note that this does not require a change to the businesses, just how they’re represented on the IC) > > - **Node Provider full-disclosure** > - All Node Providers should be required to publish details that describe how they acquired their nodes, who from, for how much, and which other Node Providers they have a close relationship with (this aspect needs a rigorous definition to capture nuance and edge cases). > > - **A Clear Statement of Intent for Punishment** > - One that’s blessed by a motion, which makes it clear that if at any point in the future any of the above statements that have been published by Node Providers are found to have been lies or objectively inaccurate, they will be off-boarded. By itself this isn’t really enough. We need proof-of-stake, and the threat of that stake being confiscated/slashed. Node machines themselves are not a stake, unless the NNS is able to revoke an NPs custody of the machine (in my opinion this would be ideal). > > - **Periodic Physical Audits** (a solid plan that these will begin taking place in the future) > - This is how NPs will be held to account, and the knowledge that this will take place in the future should be sufficient to encourage NPs to fully disclose their details honestly now. > > Perhaps the above points can be fleshed out and put to a motion? [Previous page](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/technical-working-group-node-providers/30255.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/technical-working-group-node-providers/30255.md?page=3)