Proposal to include cycle_dao & ICDevs as default follow-target neurons to the NNS

I think the other proposal will be addressed and then we’ll come back to this one. I still think for the community it would be great to have a process for adding Neurons to the interface and ICDevs would love to be one of those.

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Right. Thanks for this clarification. I didn’t mean the other thread subsumes the full discussion but just the discussion about the proposal for waiting with following to kick in (I thought for this sub-question it makes more sense that I give my input on whatever is the latest discussion).
Sorry for being imprecise and thanks for clarifying this!

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We just published the first version of a policy document for a community neuron we will be creating for the ICP Maximalist Network. It is intended to be a neuron that people can select as a Followee. The neuron has not been created yet, but soon it will be announced and promoted. We will also be submitting a proposal to the NNS to get it listed as a named Followee in the NNS app similar to what cycle_dao and ICDevs will be doing soon.

Please read the policy document and let us know if you have any questions, concerns, or suggestions. Our community is active in the telegram link… Telegram: Contact @icpmaximalistnetwork

ICPMN neuron policy document:

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The neuron for the ICP Maximalist Network has been created and the neuronID is 4966884161088437903. It is currently following DF or ICA on all topics. After elections of voting members for this neuron next week, the Followees that are assigned for Governance topics will be updated. To learn more about the ICP Maximalist Network, please join us on Telegram at Telegram: Contact @icpmaximalistnetwork

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This is so great ! Look forward !

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The cycle_dao, ICDevs, and ICPMN organizations have agreed to submit their proposals on Monday, January 10 of next week at approx the same time. The proposals will request for each organization to be added to the list of named Followees in the NNS dApp.

The Proposal to Enable Manual Voting Throughout the Entire Voting Period of Governance Proposals will also be submitted at the same time.

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Below is the text we currently plan to submit for the ICPMN neuron proposal…

Title: Motion to Add the ICPMN Neuron to the Named Followee List in the NNS dApp
Summary: The ICP Maximalist Network (ICPMN) proposes that Dfinity Foundation shall add the ICPMN Neuron ID 4966884161088437903 to the list of named Followee options in the NNS dApp. The neuron shall be labeled as ICP Maximalist Network in the list.

The ICPMN neuron will be representative of the enthusiasts, end users, investors, developers, project leaders, Dfinity and ICA members, and other IC ecosystem contributors who participate in our community. A primary objective will be to ensure that our neuron can be trusted to always vote on all proposals. The neuron will be configured to follow our elected voting members on all Governance proposals and to follow Dfinity Foundation (DF) and/or Internet Computer Association (ICA) on non-Governance proposals.

Ownership and configuration of this community neuron as well as voting member expectations are described in the policy document published at Followee Neuron for ICP Maximalist Network

You can join the active ICP Maximalist Network community on Telegram at Telegram: Contact @icpmaximalistnetwork

Motivation for this proposal - At ICP genesis, the NNS was configured to set ICA as the default Followee for the Governance topic for all neurons. DF and ICA are currently the only named neurons in the list of available neurons in the NNS dApp and people configuring their neuron can easily select these neurons to follow for voting. In an effort to accelerate decentralization of the internet computer, DF and ICA are going to be removed as default Followees for Governance topics and voting rewards will be weighted by proposal type. Hence, there will be a new need for people in the IC community to find other neurons to follow in order to continue getting paid their voting rewards. It is desirable to have a diverse and reliable selection of Followees listed in the NNS app to make it easy for people to find Followee options. Several organizations are responding to this challenge including cycle_dao, ICDevs, and ICP Maximalist Network, each of which represent special interests within the IC community. It should be noted that all neuron owners are encouraged to vote manually on Governance topics that you consider to be important even if you select Followees for the Governance topic. Manual voting is the only way to guarantee that your neuron votes according to what you believe is in the long term best interest of the internet computer.

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Below is the text we currently plan to submit for ICDevs…

Title: Motion to Add the ICDevs.org Neuron to the Named Followee List in the NNS dApp
Summary: The ICP Maximalist Network (ICPMN) proposes that Dfinity Foundation shall add the ICDevs.org Neuron ID 14231996777861930328 to the list of named Followee options in the NNS dApp. The neuron shall be labeled as ICDevs.org in the list.

The ICDevs.org neuron will be representative of the application, service, and protocol developers building on the Internet Computer. A primary objective will be to ensure that our neurons can be trusted to always vote on all proposals. The neuron will be configured to the guidance of the ICDevs.org Developer Advisory Council on Governance proposals, with backup followings for governance issues not relative to developers. The backup following will be decided by the Developer Advisory ICDevs.org Committee. The neuron will follow Dfinity Foundation (DF) and/or Internet Computer Association (ICA) on non-Governance proposals but will reserve the right to vote on non-governance proposals that affect developers. Voting by the Committee is subject to US 501c3 laws and restricted by the bylaws of ICDevs.org that can be found at ICDevs.org and thus the Executive Director has been granted the right and responsibility to refer issues to the ICDevs.org board if they may violate US law or the bylaws of ICDevs.org. In these rare cases, the board of ICDevs.org may choose to abstain from the vote on that issue or to ratify the vote of the Committee.

Configuration of this neuron, as well as voting member expectations, are described in the policy document published at ICDevs.org

You can join the ICDevs.org Developer Advisory Committee by following the instructions at ICDevs.org

Motivation for this proposal - At ICP genesis, the NNS was configured to set ICA as the default Followee for the Governance topic for all neurons. DF and ICA are currently the only named neurons in the list of available neurons in the NNS dApp and people configuring their neuron can easily select these neurons to follow for voting. In an effort to accelerate decentralization of the internet computer, DF and ICA are going to be removed as default Followees for Governance topics and voting rewards will be weighted by proposal type. Hence, there will be a new need for people in the IC community to find other neurons to follow in order to continue getting paid their voting rewards. It is desirable to have a diverse and reliable selection of Followees listed in the NNS app to make it easy for people to find Followee options. Several organizations are responding to this challenge including cycle_dao, ICDevs, and ICP Maximalist Network, each of which represent special interests within the IC community. It should be noted that all neuron owners are encouraged to vote manually on Governance topics that you consider to be important even if you select Followees for the Governance topic. Manual voting is the only way to guarantee that your neuron votes according to what you believe is in the long term best interest of the internet computer.

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Below is the text we currently plan to submit for cycle_dao…

Title: Motion to Add the cycle_dao Neuron to the Named Followee List in the NNS dApp
Summary: cycle_dao proposes that Dfinity Foundation shall add the cycle_dao Neuron ID 5967494994762486275 to the list of named Followee options in the NNS dApp. The neuron shall be labeled as cycle_dao in the list.

cycle_dao aims to advance the needs of the internet computer ecosystem. To understand what these needs are, cycle_dao monitors social media & the DFINITY developer forum, engages with the DFINITY Foundation, canvases different segments of the community, and conducts focus group interviews. The cycle_dao neuron follows other neurons to ensure its participation in every vote, but itself votes on all governance topics. Explanation of voting decisions can be found at Blog | cycle_dao.

The cycle_dao neuron is currently controlled by 11 council members representing different interests in the Internet Computer community through Axon.ooo. A quorum of 3 members is required to execute a vote. Council membership changes periodically depending on the availability of members. Some or all members may elect to withhold their identities in the future in favor of anonymous participation.

We welcome you to join us by following our neuron and Twitter: https://twitter.com/cycle_dao

Motivation for this proposal - At ICP genesis, the NNS was configured to set ICA as the default Followee for the Governance topic for all neurons. DF and ICA are currently the only named neurons in the list of available neurons in the NNS dApp and people configuring their neuron can easily select these neurons to follow for voting. In an effort to accelerate decentralization of the internet computer, DF and ICA are going to be removed as default Followees for Governance topics and voting rewards will be weighted by proposal type. Hence, there will be a new need for people in the IC community to find other neurons to follow in order to continue getting paid their voting rewards. It is desirable to have a diverse and reliable selection of Followees listed in the NNS app to make it easy for people to find Followee options. Several organizations are responding to this challenge including cycle_dao, ICDevs, and ICP Maximalist Network, each of which represent special interests within the IC community. It should be noted that all neuron owners are encouraged to vote manually on Governance topics that you consider to be important even if you select Followees for the Governance topic. Manual voting is the only way to guarantee that your neuron votes according to what you believe is in the long term best interest of the internet computer.

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I object to this proposal, like IC_xxx and cycles_DAO and NNS_DAO, whose names are extremely misleading.

Would you please explain why you think they are misleading?

cycle is a type of mainnet token, cycle_dao is as strange as icp’s dao. If they don’t know that cycle_dao is cycledao.xyz then it will affect the choice of the follower of the rate type proposal, or like dfinityNode_dao will affect the follower of the Node admin type proposal

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Never thought of it that way, but I can see what you’re saying. I would hope that anyone looking to participate in governance would do their own research about each organization before choosing to follow them.

I don’t think IC_Devs is misleading. It’s an organization of IC developers that focus on improving the IC developer experience.

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I feel like the best solution at the moment is to add the neuron owner website to the target neuron to indicate the neuron’s identity. Following by name is misleading, especially for new users, and the People’s Party will increase the voting weight of 1 billion virtual ICPs, which will involve a large number of web2 users in governance. Although there are few target neurons now, there may be hundreds or thousands in the future.

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My hope is that once the organizations are approved that it will be easy (e.g. not an NNS proposal) to get the name changed according to the wishes of the organization. I agree with your suggestion of including a website link, so it would be nice to be able to do that by making a simple request to the NNS dApp team.

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Voted!

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The proposals for cycle_dao and ICPMN have passed. The proposal for ICDevs.org is still in progress and needs more votes at this time. The manual voting proposal also passed. See links below for results.

ICP Maximalist Network

cycle_dao

ICDevs

Manual voting

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Anyone of the anti-ICDevs ever explained their opposition?
Just wondering why nobody talks…

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I’d like to know this as well. People are free to vote however they like, but it would be nice if they shared their grievances.

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I agree with this. We all try to build and help to open source but I completely disagree with this approach.

I do understand that there’s no easy way to incentive this but I think donations will be more helpful ( even tho not enough most likely) rather than enforce it.