# Please help provide some suggestions or recommend
**URL:** https://forum.dfinity.org/t/please-help-provide-some-suggestions-or-recommend/38091
**Category:** Developers
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**Created:** [December 2, 2024, 6:50am UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/please-help-provide-some-suggestions-or-recommend/38091 "2024-12-02T06:50:58Z")
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### Author:  [@0xLenny](https://forum.dfinity.org/u/0xLenny)
#### Post date: [December 2, 2024, 6:50am UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/please-help-provide-some-suggestions-or-recommend/38091/1 "2024-12-02T06:50:58Z")
Hey bros, I am a new IC developer.
I browsed the official documents. Now I have a few questions.
1. Does IC have no test chain? Similar: sepolia
2. I saw that IC Rosetta can directly obtain data on the chain, but you must build a server yourself. Is there no node service provider like Alchemy?
3. I want to monitor the data changes on the chain in real time. Is there no websocket interface?
Please help provide some suggestions or recommend some servers.
Thank you very much.
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### Author:  [@Vivienne](https://forum.dfinity.org/u/Vivienne)
#### Post date: [December 2, 2024, 1:58pm UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/please-help-provide-some-suggestions-or-recommend/38091/2 "2024-12-02T13:58:11Z")
> [@0xLenny](#):
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> Does IC have no test chain? Similar: sepolia
No. You can either run locally or go to mainnet directly. You can set up a [staging environment](https://internetcomputer.org/docs/current/developer-docs/smart-contracts/test/staging-environment/) on mainnet if you’d like to
> [@0xLenny](#):
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> I saw that IC Rosetta can directly obtain data on the chain, but you must build a server yourself. Is there no node service provider like Alchemy?
Rosetta is for tokens only. All other data must be fetched from the chain itself
> [@0xLenny](#):
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> I want to monitor the data changes on the chain in real time. Is there no websocket interface?
No, you need to poll regularly
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### Author:  [@0xLenny](https://forum.dfinity.org/u/0xLenny)
#### Post date: [December 3, 2024, 2:20am UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/please-help-provide-some-suggestions-or-recommend/38091/3 "2024-12-03T02:20:16Z")
Thanks for your reply
> Rosetta is for tokens only. All other data must be fetched from the chain itself
This means that if I create another icrc2 token and get the historical transaction records, I need to save the transfer log in canister instead of directly parsing the original data on the chain, right?
Extra question, What payment gateway does ICP recommend? If not, I’ll just have to do it myself.
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### Author:  [@Vivienne](https://forum.dfinity.org/u/Vivienne)
#### Post date: [December 3, 2024, 9:19am UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/please-help-provide-some-suggestions-or-recommend/38091/4 "2024-12-03T09:19:22Z")
I don’t quite get what you mean with a new token and parsing historical records. When you create a new token you don’t have any historical data, no?
As for payments it’s still all DIY as far as I know. Would be very happy to be corrected…
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### Author:  [@Henn91](https://forum.dfinity.org/u/Henn91)
#### Post date: [December 3, 2024, 11:30am UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/please-help-provide-some-suggestions-or-recommend/38091/5 "2024-12-03T11:30:21Z")
If newcomers cant deploy canisters, it means network is kinda useless. Its my third or fourth time trying to write deploy, every time there are errors, this time: Error: Cannot find dfx configuration file in the current working directory.
Only 6 months ago we got easy to build token canisters (NOT from Dfinity), i wonder how long it takes for people to build apps the same way. Seems Dfinity dont care as long as ICP price dont crash to 0. Most non user friendly chain so far.
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### Author:  [@marc0olo](https://forum.dfinity.org/u/marc0olo)
#### Post date: [December 3, 2024, 6:46pm UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/please-help-provide-some-suggestions-or-recommend/38091/6 "2024-12-03T18:46:57Z")
> [@Henn91](#):
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> If newcomers cant deploy canisters, it means network is kinda useless. Its my third or fourth time trying to write deploy, every time there are errors, this time: Error: Cannot find dfx configuration file in the current working directory.
this is kind of unrelated to the initial question, but in general you share more information about your project structure and the canisters that you are aiming to deploy. also it would be appreciated to know what operating system you are using in order to be able to help you out.
> [@Henn91](#):
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> Seems Dfinity dont care as long as ICP price dont crash to 0. Most non user friendly chain so far.
that is certainly not true. it would definitely be more productive if you can share more detailed feedback about the struggles you face(d). otherwise it will be hard to improve the user as well as the developer experience. any valuable feedback is appreciated and will be recognized.
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### Author:  [@0xLenny](https://forum.dfinity.org/u/0xLenny)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2024, 5:47am UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/please-help-provide-some-suggestions-or-recommend/38091/7 "2024-12-05T05:47:33Z")
If there is an existing icrc2 token, I want to get all its transfer logs directly from the chain to count the number of holders. How should I get it?
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### Author:  [@Henn91](https://forum.dfinity.org/u/Henn91)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2024, 7:39am UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/please-help-provide-some-suggestions-or-recommend/38091/8 "2024-12-05T07:39:29Z")
You can make token there: [https://icpex.org/createToken](https://icpex.org/createToken)
Token shoud automatically show up there (holders/transactions): [IC Explorer](https://www.icexplorer.io/token/details/4c4fd-caaaa-aaaaq-aaa3a-cai)
Token can be added there too, but need to ask in Discord (holders/transactions): [nftGeek - Analytics tool for IC NFTs](https://t5t44-naaaa-aaaah-qcutq-cai.raw.icp0.io/token/iy6hh-xaaaa-aaaan-qauza-cai/transactions)
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### Author:  [@0xLenny](https://forum.dfinity.org/u/0xLenny)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2024, 3:40am UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/please-help-provide-some-suggestions-or-recommend/38091/9 "2024-12-06T03:40:33Z")
> [@marc0olo](#):
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> that is certainly not true. it would definitely be more productive if you can share more detailed feedback about the struggles you face(d). otherwise it will be hard to improve the user as well as the developer experience. any valuable feedback is appreciated and will be recognized.
Maybe I have a lot of difficulties.
For example:
1. I want to use Rust to create a canister of icrc2 token. I only see the “init\_arg” method in the document, but I also want to extend some other functions in canister. My idea is to code a \*.rs to implement all the functions of the icrc2 protocol, but I don’t know if there will be any errors in doing so. I hope I can use the trait feature in Rust to complete the custom icrc2 token. This is the first difficulty.
2. I want to get the transfer logs of any token on the chain at will, but I can’t find any other way except Rosetta API. I can’t build a Rosetta API for each token. So I don’t know where to get these public chain data directly, this is my second difficulty.
After a few days of study, I feel that the development/learning difficulty of ic is much higher than other chains. There is little information and it is not detailed.
It makes me feel at a loss 😂
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### Author:  [@mathiasb](https://forum.dfinity.org/u/mathiasb)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2024, 10:15am UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/please-help-provide-some-suggestions-or-recommend/38091/10 "2024-12-06T10:15:28Z")
Hi 0xLenny!
1. You could use [this ICRC ledger Rust implementation](https://sourcegraph.com/github.com/dfinity/ic/-/tree/rs/ledger_suite/icrc1/ledger) as a basis for your token ledger and extend it with additional functionality you need (or remove support for legacy functionality that you don’t need!), or even directly deploy a ledger using [the (at time of writing) latest ICRC ledger suite release](https://github.com/dfinity/ic/releases/tag/ledger-suite-icrc-2024-11-28) and the instructions [here](https://internetcomputer.org/docs/current/developer-docs/defi/tokens/ledger/setup/icrc1_ledger_setup) (these instructions don’t yet point to the recently-added releases in the `ic` repo).
2. On the ICP platform, transactions for each token is stored separately in their own ledger canisters, so there is no central place to retrieve all the transactions of all the tokens from. E.g., for the ICP token you can query the `query_blocks` or `query_encoded_blocks` endpoints of [the ICP ledger](https://dashboard.internetcomputer.org/canister/ryjl3-tyaaa-aaaaa-aaaba-cai) to get all the transactions. For [ckBTC](https://dashboard.internetcomputer.org/canister/mxzaz-hqaaa-aaaar-qaada-cai) or ckERC20 tokens, you can similarly call e.g., the `icrc3_get_blocks` endpoint of the ledger to get the transfer logs. The [ICP Dashboard](https://dashboard.internetcomputer.org/) links to the aforementioned ledgers, as well as tokens for SNSs (see Chain Fusion and SNS links in the top-right of the page), and for other tokens you would need to find the ledger canister ID in order to list the transactions. E.g., [the Kong Swap Stats page list](https://www.kongswap.io/stats) some tokens on ICP that are neither Chain Fusion nor SNS tokens.
EDIT: Added missing link to ledger deployment instructions
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### Author:  [@0xLenny](https://forum.dfinity.org/u/0xLenny)
#### Post date: [December 9, 2024, 2:12am UTC](https://forum.dfinity.org/t/please-help-provide-some-suggestions-or-recommend/38091/11 "2024-12-09T02:12:19Z")
Thank Dfinity Teams for replying, I will try the above method. 🫰